The Politics of Having Kids (enemy, children, jobs, society)

[PurpleLove08]

Originally Posted by TristansMommy

I'm not worried at all.. I want min 2 at most 3 kids..b ut probably won't get to 3 at this point.

No idea what the Quiverfull movement is..

I do have a problem with taxing "fertility treatments" in your posts. For one, people have a choice wether they want to have children or not. Fertility is an issue for some couples and adoption is not an easy prospect, but fertility treatments are extremely expensive and not covered by medical insurance (which is fine, but taxing it is just.. well ridiculous).

Adoption is for some people, not for others.. it all depends on the individual and taxing fertility treatments heavily seems like an unfair way to punish people for a choice they are making for themselves.

Where in my posts did I say I wanted to take people's CHOICE/FREEDOM to have kids away?

I know the chances for fertility treatments to be taxed are nil but it's still my opinion. We can agree to disagree and that's fine.

I guess taxing people for cigarettes and alcohol is unfair too? Just wondering.
LOTS of things that people choose to buy are taxed-clothes, cars, food, etc.
I know adoption is not an easy process/prospect, I never claimed it was easy.

[mrstewart]

Originally Posted by LiveTodayLez08

I consider it my business if people want to have large families because when does my right to clean air, clean water, etc begin and your right to reproduce begin?
The earth is being raped for its resources and we'd be wise to stop adding people for quite some time.
I try my best to live my life in the most sustainable way possible but I can't do it all. I'm only 18 and my resources are limited.

We need to reduce the population growth rate and we need to reduce our standard of living. Many people in third world countries want to live the same kind of lifestyle we live. America only comprise 5 percent of the world population but we use 25 percent of its resources.

It took all of recorded history until 1830 for world population to reach one billion; by 1930 we were at two billion; 1960-3 billion, 1975-4 billion, 1986-5 billion, and in 1999 we crossed the 6 billion mark. The world is adding about 78 million people a year. The United Nations Population Fund has estimated the population will grow by another 50 percent by the year 2050. The earth cannot handle that kind of growth.
I'm sorry for caring about the quality of life everyone on earth will face instead of your desire to produce a human being that shares DNA with you.

Your age explains it all...you are a child yourself so your child like response is to be expected.

I have several children, I pay for all of them to go to private school, we live in a very nice home, and I have NEVER asked nor have I needed any type of assistance. And to address YOUR resources being used, I also just spent 100k dollars to install geothermal heating/cooling in my home, I havea car with flexfuel and we walk to the grocery and school.

BTW, my husband and I are both very well educated...I have my bachelors and masters from Boston College and my husband has his BS, masters and MD from UVA and Georgetown so don't try to babble about our lack of education. We also have all of our teeth, don't live in a double wide, have never watched Nascar and can complete a full sentence!

So, before you start passing any judgment, get out of the Pull Ups and get back to me.

[TristansMommy]

Originally Posted by LiveTodayLez08

Where in my posts did I say I wanted to take people's CHOICE/FREEDOM to have kids away?

I know the chances for fertility treatments to be taxed are nil but it's still my opinion. We can agree to disagree and that's fine.

I guess taxing people for cigarettes and alcohol is unfair too? Just wondering.
LOTS of things that people choose to buy are taxed-clothes, cars, food, etc.
I know adoption is not an easy process/prospect, I never claimed it was easy.

My you are defensive.. I never accused you of taking away peoples choice to have children.. I merely pointed out an observation about childless posters on these boards seeming angry about others making the choice to have children.

As for taxing fertillity treatments, yes we'll agree to disagree.

I brought up adoption because you were implying that a couple that wants fertility treatment to have a child should be paying taxes on said treatment to support kids in the orphanages or foster system. That implies that you feel that it's a form of "punishment' for choosing that option as opposed to the option of adoption. Thereby you were implying that if they want children they should then take a child that was already born as opposed to having their own. I was merely pointing out that that is not always an option for everyone becaues the proccess is extremely difficult, time consuming and can be heartbreaking (if a mother decides she wants the child back, etc.) Not to mention those children already out of infancy tend to have a lot of issues that come along with them as a result that smoe parents to be may not be able to handle, is all.

BTW.. many lesbian couples elect to have children as part of their partnership and often choose fertility treatments (hormones must be taken in order to be inseminated with sperm , of course) and some choose adoption. Perhaps you don't want to be a parent now, but you may someday have a partner that you want to have a cihld with.. or maybe not.. who knows.. and then you may change your mind about that "tax" you are so for.

[PurpleLove08]

Originally Posted by mrstewart

Your age explains it all...you are a child yourself so your child like response is to be expected.

I have several children, I pay for all of them to go to private school, we live in a very nice home, and I have NEVER asked nor have I needed any type of assistance. And to address YOUR resources being used, I also just spent 100k dollars to install geothermal heating/cooling in my home, I havea car with flexfuel and we walk to the grocery and school.

So, get potty trained and get back to me.

Wow geothermal heating and cooling and you think that just negates all the environmental damage you've done by having kids?
Excuse me while I laugh my ass off.
Do you want a cookie for getting geothermal heating/colling?

I never said they were MY resources, I said the earth's resources, the same earth your children will have to live in once you are long gone and dead.


Get back to me when you do your research on the effect that our population has on climate change.The current global population growth rate outpaces even our best efforts to reduce carbon emmissions

Population Growth: Impacts on the Environment
Population and the Environment: The Global Challenge (ActionBioscience)
THE IMPACT OF POPULATION GROWTH ON FOOD SUPPLIES AND ENVIRONMENT
http://ocw.mit.edu/NR/rdonlyres/Eart...6972/0/p_e.pdf

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by LiveTodayLez08

Wow geothermal heating and cooling and you think that just negates all the environmental damage you've done by having kids?
Excuse me while I laugh my ass off.
Do you want a cookie for getting geothermal heating/colling?

I never said they were MY resources, I said the earth's resources, the same earth your children will have to live in once you are long gone and dead.


Get back to me when you do your research on the effect that our population has on climate change.The current global population growth rate outpaces even our best efforts to reduce carbon emmissions

Your comments above are rude, condesending and totally unnecessary. They border on personally attacking another poster - prohibited by the TOS of CD -

[mrstewart]

Originally Posted by LiveTodayLez08

Wow geothermal heating and cooling and you think that just negates all the environmental damage you've done by having kids?
Excuse me while I laugh my ass off.
Do you want a cookie for getting geothermal heating/colling?

I never said they were MY resources, I said the earth's resources, the same earth your children will have to live in once you are long gone and dead.


Get back to me when you do your research on the effect that our population has on climate change.The current global population growth rate outpaces even our best efforts to reduce carbon emmissions

Population Growth: Impacts on the Environment
Population and the Environment: The Global Challenge (ActionBioscience)
THE IMPACT OF POPULATION GROWTH ON FOOD SUPPLIES AND ENVIRONMENT
http://ocw.mit.edu/NR/rdonlyres/Eart...6972/0/p_e.pdf

Grow up and take on a cause that you know something about...maybe my children will override the negativity you bring to the earth...it will take several to counteract the enormous chip on your shoulder.

[PurpleLove08]

Originally Posted by TristansMommy

My you are defensive.. I never accused you of taking away peoples choice to have children.. I merely pointed out an observation about childless posters on these boards seeming angry about others making the choice to have children.

As for taxing fertillity treatments, yes we'll agree to disagree.

I brought up adoption because you were implying that a couple that wants fertility treatment to have a child should be paying taxes on said treatment to support kids in the orphanages or foster system. That implies that you feel that it's a form of "punishment' for choosing that option as opposed to the option of adoption. Thereby you were implying that if they want children they should then take a child that was already born as opposed to having their own. I was merely pointing out that that is not always an option for everyone becaues the proccess is extremely difficult, time consuming and can be heartbreaking (if a mother decides she wants the child back, etc.) Not to mention those children already out of infancy tend to have a lot of issues that come along with them as a result that smoe parents to be may not be able to handle, is all.

BTW.. many lesbian couples elect to have children as part of their partnership and often choose fertility treatments (hormones must be taken in order to be inseminated with sperm , of course) and some choose adoption. Perhaps you don't want to be a parent now, but you may someday have a partner that you want to have a cihld with.. or maybe not.. who knows.. and then you may change your mind about that "tax" you are so for.

I'm definitley defensive. I'll admit that.
There are also many lesbian couples who decide not to have kids. Last I read, only about...eh 30% of lesbian couples have kids. I could be wrong though.
I'll make sure whoever I "settle down with" does not want kids either.
I certainly won't change my mind about this but thanks for your concern.
Even if I had to pay the taxes, I'd gladly pay more.
I'd much rather my money go towards environmental organizations though.

The world is not perfect but whatever. I won't have any kids around when it REALLY gets bad so I sometimes question why I care so much to stop the environmental degradation.

[PurpleLove08]

Originally Posted by mrstewart

Grow up and take on a cause that you know something about...maybe my children will override the negativity you bring to the earth...it will take several to counteract the enormous chip on your shoulder.

MAYBE...MAYBE not.

[PurpleLove08]

Originally Posted by Greatday

Your comments above are rude, condesending and totally unnecessary. They border on personally attacking another poster - prohibited by the TOS of CD -

Oh so this doesn't do the same thing?
[Not that I really care if someone personally attacks me but come on....]

Originally Posted by mrstewart

Your age explains it all...you are a child yourself so your child like response is to be expected.

I have several children, I pay for all of them to go to private school, we live in a very nice home, and I have NEVER asked nor have I needed any type of assistance. And to address YOUR resources being used, I also just spent 100k dollars to install geothermal heating/cooling in my home, I havea car with flexfuel and we walk to the grocery and school.

BTW, my husband and I are both very well educated...I have my bachelors and masters from Boston College and my husband has his BS, masters and MD from UVA and Georgetown so don't try to babble about our lack of education. We also have all of our teeth, don't live in a double wide, have never watched Nascar and can complete a full sentence!

So, before you start passing any judgment, get out of the Pull Ups and get back to me.

[mrstewart]

Originally Posted by LiveTodayLez08

Wow geothermal heating and cooling and you think that just negates all the environmental damage you've done by having kids?
Excuse me while I laugh my ass off.
Do you want a cookie for getting geothermal heating/colling?

I never said they were MY resources, I said the earth's resources, the same earth your children will have to live in once you are long gone and dead.


Get back to me when you do your research on the effect that our population has on climate change.The current global population growth rate outpaces even our best efforts to reduce carbon emmissions

Population Growth: Impacts on the Environment
Population and the Environment: The Global Challenge (ActionBioscience)
THE IMPACT OF POPULATION GROWTH ON FOOD SUPPLIES AND ENVIRONMENT
http://ocw.mit.edu/NR/rdonlyres/Eart...6972/0/p_e.pdf

I was just reading through the posts and in the beginning of the thread you were THANKING ME for not passing judgment on people who do not want children...even said you wish more people felt like I do...then I come back to check the thread and you are attacking me.

Interesting you welcome a nonjudgmental point of view but can not extend one yourself...