The Politics of Having Kids (solution, abortions, school, economic)

[prim2007]

Originally Posted by silas777

Well obviously you are a very angry person with some serious issues, I am sorry for that, for someone whom is so critical of others and their spelling , you have a hard time comprehending! For all the names you call me, I have never wished harm to anyones family on this board, no matter how dilluted they were! The aging hippie whom started this thread I believe is on record, with the belief as I stated. Obviously lots of people dont have kids for lots of reasons, any rational person could see they werent whom I was talking about. Any one not having kids for "political" reasons, such as the world already has too many kids or they are bad for the environment,"Leftist ideas", I support 100%!! No backpeddling here! Burning Bras?

I'd prefer anger over outlandish, sexist, immature comments than any characteristic you possess. I feel sorry for the woman that married you. You clearly prefer to live here on this board than be with her but she might find relief in this. Anyway, as far as wishing you harm, I said I hope your words apply back to you and your family. If you're so adamant your words are not harmful or mean spirited, then you should take it as a nice gesture.

[gentlearts]

Unfortunately, thinking people are more successful at preventing unwanted pregnancies than are dumb people.
So, while I think it's perfectly fine that folks who don't want children don't have them, I just wish that the idiots who aren't capable of raising children would stop having them.
It's always been this way, however, now the dumb people are winning. In the olden days before birth control, at least the smart people had unwanted pregnancies too.

[Huckleberry3911948]

its open season on parents, its a lousy job, the pay is rotten and everybody bad mouths you and you get no respect or support.
yet so many still wana do it.
yet its one of the few acts of love i still see goin on. most wana hook up to get their needs or vanity met, endless sea of self glorification, kids are one of the few acts of pure love i see goin. for all my clever statements i opted out bek i did not want to face the cross, the jeering mob and the humiliation of defeat, a mean mama and another loser kid.

[katzenfreund]

I do think there is a lot of pressure on couples to have kids. People I hardly know question me about why I do NOT have children, as if it is any of their business. Same thing with my husband. He tells me often they ask if something is "wrong" with him or me, meaning physical problems. They can't fathom why anyone would not want kids. Well, I can't fathom why anyone would! Maybe I should start questioning them why they have kids.

As I have "gotten older, wiser and more mature" I am happier than ever with my decision not to have children. I see people with kids and think, better them than me, most of them seem stressed and agitated. I am extremely happy with my life, enjoy my friends, traveling, hobbies, volunteering etc. etc. To suggest that when people get older and wiser, they will realize what they are "missing" is just wrong. Many of our friends don't have children, not one of them has ever said they regret their choice.

[DreamingOfSouthDakota]

Not everyone needs kids i know people who i wish would have never had children because they neglect them horribly. But i guess it was the way i was raised ya grow up get married and have kids..i have always thought that way...

[katzenfreund]

A PS... I know several couples that are WONDERFUL parents and their kids are well behaved and fun to be around. I know many more people that should have never had kids, I feel sorry for their kids and the problems they will have due to their parents. Parenting classes should be mandatory in high school, IMO...

[jtur88]

America has decided, collectively, that it wishes to be a sociaty in which all adults in a family must have a job outside the home in order to maintain a poverty-plus household economy. America has created this social order without having takien child-rearing into account. And therein lies our problem. We as a nation have just decided that watching TeleTubbies on a day-care sofa constitutes all the child-rearing strategy necessary to make this a more perfect union. We begin from that default position , but there is no arrow leading from that box in the flow-chart. We put our children into free fall and wonder why they crash when they hit the bottom.

Our society does not "un-want" the children, it un-wants available tending parents, and re-assigns them to other tasks. Every child who has no parent at-home is a child too many.

[eastcoastlady]

Originally Posted by jtur88

America has decided, collectively, that it wishes to be a sociaty in which all adults in a family must have a job outside the home in order to maintain a poverty-plus household economy. America has created this social order without having takien child-rearing into account. And therein lies our problem. We as a nation have just decided that watching TeleTubbies on a day-care sofa constitutes all the child-rearing strategy necessary to make this a more perfect union. We begin from that default position , but there is no arrow leading from that box in the flow-chart. We put our children into free fall and wonder why they crash when they hit the bottom.

Our society does not "un-want" the children, it un-wants available tending parents, and re-assigns them to other tasks. Every child who has no parent at-home is a child too many.

Quoted for agreement.
My mom let the TV watch us. I turned out okay, but my brother didn't really. My boyfriend's single mother was never home- working multiple jobs. He says that as a kid all he wanted was for his mom to come home. A little kid can't understand why mommy has to work all the time, he only misses her company and guidance.

[dvcgal]

Originally Posted by ViewFromThePeak

Women are not forced into having children. I knew a wonderful woman, well educated, nice, and giving. She didn't want children, so we had to break up. As nice as she is, her dating options are much more limited. Not to say she can't find a nice guy to be with, just that many otherwise compatible mates are filtered out. Of course I'll be disproved by several childless women who had no problems finding a man, but you know that I'm correct on an aggregate scale.

If this is considered forcing women to have kids, that's pretty weak.

If a woman gets pregnant, society today makes her feel forced to be a mother. I am not talking about women who do not want children and never do, I am simply speaking of those who get pregnant by accident and then are forced into the situation by society. Women are 'supposed' to want kids and it seems almost unnatural to many folks, if they do not want kids and when a woman gets pregnant, everyone always comments on how happy you must be, how lucky you are or blessed you are and women tend to be forced into motherhood at that point. EVEN if they have already decided to give their baby up for adoption, the fact that strangers walk-up and want to give you their opinion makes many women feel pressured and makes many women feel like less of ahuman if they are giving their baby up for adoption. There is pressure there and not to sound mean, but you being a man makes it difficult to understand exactly what women go through when they are pregnant.

[my54ford]

[quote=chielgirl;5554686]I'm going to ask a question here, and I know it's going to be unpopular. I also know that I'll be attacked.

Why in the world do so many parents on this board still think that everyone should have kids?
Having a child is not for everyone, I wish it were not the default.

In the last 3 or 4 days, parents have posted three horrendous stories about bad parenting, some that have resulted in the deaths of their kids, and others of abuse and abandonment. These stories made national headlines, most abuse cases don't.

While I agree that not everyone should have kids what would you have us do? Mandatory sterilization, Euthanezia (sp) forced work camps for those insanely large faimlies.They tried all that once back in the 30's