Connecticut Surpreme Court rules same-sex (terrorism, Massachusetts, election, elect)

[saganista]

Originally Posted by KH02

No but according to a friend in MA (where this has happened) the state has teachers teaching 5 year olds about homosexuality, which to me is an outrage. Private school it is.

More likely, they have a book called "Who's in the Family" where 5-year olds can get it. As it's written for children aged 3-7, that doesn't seem so odd. Did you know it has pictures of inter-racial familes? And elephant families? And elderly childless families? Oh, the horror! Gay-ness is like evolution -- a fact of life. You won't be able to hide your children away from either one of them...

[SuperMario]

Great post JViello.

It's sad how many people lack God in their lives. I for one hope that American society collapses, maybe then we can get rid of all these atheist, hedens, and non-believers. Hopefully, a new nation will rise from the ashes, one based on God and his teachings.

I understand that you cannot force gay people to love the opposite sex. But why go after a religous act such as marriage. Why do they have to get married? Especially if they do not follow Christianity. I would not care if a gay couple spend time together in private but I would be lying if I were to say that I would be comfortable with gay acts in public.

Well, this is a sad day for me indeed. Thank God there are alot of Roman Catholics in NYC. They would never allow this to happen. Well, as long as they don't get married under the church. Then I would really lose it.

And gays, spare me your little sermons on constitutional rights, myths, bigotry etc ....My opinion is one I would never change. No matter how many of you [MOD CUT/offensive] try to force it down our [MOD CUT/crude] throats.

[kidyankee764]

Originally Posted by JViello

This country was founded on Judeo Christian principles. This can not be denied. There are thousands of writings by our founders that show this to be true.

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You can try and pull out the treaty of Tripoli and say "not so" but you are taking that document out of context while not knowing what it entailed. (Dealing with Muslim Terrorist even back then...but I digress) Besides one document against thousands...speaks for itself.

Marriage defined by OUR SOCIETY on the FOUNDATIONS of our country was between a man and woman.

By redefining that, you have opened the floodgates and gone down a very very slipper slope.

Marriage is not a "right" it is a privaledge given by the state - that same state that has the 10 commandments over it's courthouse and the same state that was founded by religous men to PRACTICE their religion in peace and freedom from the terrany of the king.

Separation of Church and state is a falasy. The arguement was that the state would not impose a certain "sect" of Christianity...not that it would abolish all references to God...which there are thousands.

This country has been on a moral decay for over 30 years and this will only further our decent into the bowls of a failed nation. If we do not go back to the guiding priniciples that founded this country - we will fall just as Rome and Greece did.

Turn back to your God and Godly principles America - turn back or you will fail. It was God that rasied you up, and gave you the devine providence and wisdom to prosper and become the greatest nation on earth...by abandoning that same God you spit in the face of what made you great.

That's my take - no more time to post, sorry for the spelling mistakes if there are any...didn't even read it through.

You do make some valid points, but one of the biggest turnoffs for me is when people preach their religious opinions on myself or anyone else. I respect your opinion though.

I think it all comes down to the question of whether or not homosexuality is a choice. Personally I don't believe it is but for those who feel the opposite, I can see why they're offended at the thought of same-sex marriages.

As for America going downhill in the past 30+ years, I couldn't agree more. But right now, I think two guys or girls marrying is the least of our worries. We as a nation need to get our priorities straight (no pun intended, lol).

[elousv]

Originally Posted by saganista

Gay-ness is like evolution -- a fact of life..

Please expand our knowledge with exactly how the gay-ness fits in with evolution. Are they a 'mutation'? Is it a signal that 'Homo Sapiens' is going just 'Homo'?

[JViello]

Are you both equating gay marriage with slavery?

By the way, it was those same Christians that fought to free the slaves.

Morality is the same?

Really?

How's that unwed (Ooops there's that word again...) teen pregnancy rate back in 1852?

How about STD's?

How about the murder rate?

Robbery?

Assault?

On and on and on.

You all can make it out to be that our founding fathers were wretched people - I would make the case that you do so out of ignorance.

Just remember that it was their wisdom that gives you the freedom to sit here and post what you do. Without their guidance and genius America would not exist and this world would be a much different place. (I'm sure for some of you that would be a good thing)

They believed in God, they believed in Jesus the Christ. They held these things to be true.

John Adams
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Second President of the United States

[i]t is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue.


[W]e have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. . . . Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

George Washington

"Father of Our Country"
Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of man and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connexions with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked, Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice?

And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle. It is substantially true, that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. The rule, indeed, extends with more or less force to every species of free government. Who, that is a sincere friend to it, can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of the fabric

I really do have to roll out now...but I will ask you all this one question and respond my best to your replies when I return.

What does this ruling by a court do to benefit our society...not the individual, but how does this benefit society.

[Mach50]

Times have changed we celebrate free religion here in America, meaning the choice to believe in whatever we like.

I don't think of it as turning a back on a god, it is broadening our beliefs to more than one single form of religion and at the same time providing equality for all.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by JViello

Are you both equating gay marriage with slavery?

In the context of what's acceptable in society evolving..... yes.

Originally Posted by JViello

How about STD's?

How about them? HOW are they exclusively a hetero/homosexual issue?

[fierce_flawless]

Originally Posted by SuperMario

Great post JViello.

It's sad how many people lack God in their lives. I for one hope that American society collapses, maybe then we can get rid of all these atheist, hedens, and non-believers. Hopefully, a new nation will rise from the ashes, one based on God and his teachings.

I understand that you cannot force gay people to love the opposite sex. But why go after a religous act such as marriage. Why do they have to get married? Especially if they do not follow Christianity. I would not care if a gay couple spend time together in private but I would be lying if I were to say that I would be comfortable with gay acts in public.

Well, this is a sad day for me indeed. Thank God there are alot of Roman Catholics in NYC. They would never allow this to happen. Well, as long as they don't get married under the church. Then I would really lose it.

And gays, spare me your little sermons on constitutional rights, myths, bigotry etc ....My opinion is one I would never change. No matter how many of you fags try to force it down our ****ing throats.

How lovely. How kind. How... Christian.. ? ? ?

And what, pray tell, are "hedens"?

Originally Posted by kidyankee764

You do make some valid points, <SNIP>.

Points that are almost entirely overshadowed by Jviello's spelling errors.
Sorry, but it's true, and the "sorry for any spelling errors" doesn't make it not true. I know we're supposed to (for some reason) ignore spelling and apparently "made up" words (hedens from SuperMario) when having discussions like these, to avoid being "petty", but c'mon people.

No one is perfect and we all make a typo from time to time, or spell something wrong...but a few seconds to review something won't shorten your life any, really, and your message will be SO much clearer.

CD has a built-in spell check function and after a certain number of errors, it really DOES make it hard to follow a train of thought and it really DOES make the poster look ignorant and foolish. And yeah, I suppose it makes me look petty for saying it but there you go.

[saganista]

Originally Posted by elousv

Please expand our knowledge with exactly how the gay-ness fits in with evolution. Are they a 'mutation'? Is it a signal that 'Homo Sapiens' is going just 'Homo'?

Merely a reference to the fundie habit of trying to hide from realities that conflict with religious dogma. See posts above about "founded on Judeo-Christian principles" for yet another example...

[denverian]

Originally Posted by JViello

Are you both equating gay marriage with slavery?

By the way, it was those same Christians that fought to free the slaves.

Morality is the same?

Really?

How's that unwed (Ooops there's that word again...) teen pregnancy rate back in 1852?

How about STD's?

How about the murder rate?

Robbery?

Assault?

On and on and on.

You all can make it out to be that our founding fathers were wretched people - I would make the case that you do so out of ignorance.

Just remember that it was their wisdom that gives you the freedom to sit here and post what you do. Without their guidance and genius America would not exist and this world would be a much different place. (I'm sure for some of you that would be a good thing)

They believed in God, they believed in Jesus the Christ. They held these things to be true.

John Adams
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Second President of the United States

[i]t is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue.


[W]e have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. . . . Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

George Washington

"Father of Our Country"
Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of man and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connexions with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked, Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice?

And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle. It is substantially true, that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. The rule, indeed, extends with more or less force to every species of free government. Who, that is a sincere friend to it, can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of the fabric

I really do have to roll out now...but I will ask you all this one question and respond my best to your replies when I return.

What does this ruling by a court do to benefit our society...not the individual, but how does this benefit society.

Oh, so they were for slavery before they were against it. Gotcha!

Oppression is oppression, no matter which group is being oppressed. This country has a record of enlightenment and granting rights rather than suppressing rights. A slow progression, but progress nonetheless.

This ruling benefits society by helping gay people create strong, monogamous relationships. When people are monagamous, they arent's spreading STDs.