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Bush leap-frogged Socialism and took us all the way to Communism, or at least his version of Communism-Plutocracy, where the rich and powerful are the ruling Party, and the rest are servants.
Bush took us to a place that even Communists do not want to go to!
Bush leap-frogged Socialism and took us all the way to Communism, or at least his version of Communism-Plutocracy, where the rich and powerful are the ruling Party, and the rest are servants.
Even rich people are struggling under Bush's spending issues!
Zed, I questioned your "fact" that the US is moving toward socialism, because I see no evidence whatsoever that it is, and I have not heard any remarks from any candidates proposing any socialist policies whatsoever. Except, of course, health care, and it would be really hard for a serious candidate for office to gloat over how proud he is of all our uninsured citizens, and even worse, all our citizens who earn nowhere near enough money to pay for health insurance. The rest of the world looks at the US health-care system the same way they look at Saudi Arabia's criminal justice system.
I would like to hear about some of the things that you pesonally observe that lead you to believe that the US is moving toward socialism. I have lived in socialist countries, where people pay only a tiny nuisance fee for rent on their flats or public transport, and food is cheap and heavily subsidized and sold only through government-owned shops. Do you see movements in this direction?
You also said that such movements are "proof" that things need to change to a system that you personally favor. They are not "proof" that you need to have your way, although they may (if the "fact" is true) be proof that systems need to be improved. Or, in fact, all that may need to be done to stop creeping toware socialism is to stop creeping toward socialism.
Finally, your assertion that "everything needs to go back to the private (for profit) sector". I presume you mean "everything" to include educatin, public safety, and transport infrstrure? Should we turn them all over to Goldman Sachs and Bear Stearns?
So, you have made anecdotal obsevatons, determined that those observations reflect a dire and threatening reality, that that reality is proof that only you are correct in your social economic analysis, and the only remedy is to let you have your way. I challenge not your opinion, but your asssertion that this is fact-based and proof.
Zed, I questioned your "fact" that the US is moving toward socialism, because I see no evidence whatsoever that it is, and I have not heard any remarks from any candidates proposing any socialist policies whatsoever. Except, of course, health care, and it would be really hard for a serious candidate for office to gloat over how proud he is of all our uninsured citizens, and even worse, all our citizens who earn nowhere near enough money to pay for health insurance. The rest of the world looks at the US health-care system the same way they look at Saudi Arabia's criminal justice system.
I would like to hear about some of the things that you pesonally observe that lead you to believe that the US is moving toward socialism. I have lived in socialist countries, where people pay only a tiny nuisance fee for rent on their flats or public transport, and food is cheap and heavily subsidized and sold only through government-owned shops. Do you see movements in this direction?
You also said that such movements are "proof" that things need to change to a system that you personally favor. They are not "proof" that you need to have your way, although they may (if the "fact" is true) be proof that systems need to be improved. Or, in fact, all that may need to be done to stop creeping toware socialism is to stop creeping toward socialism.
Finally, your assertion that "everything needs to go back to the private (for profit) sector". I presume you mean "everything" to include educatin, public safety, and transport infrstrure? Should we turn them all over to Goldman Sachs and Bear Stearns?
So, you have made anecdotal obsevatons, determined that those observations reflect a dire and threatening reality, that that reality is proof that only you are correct in your social economic analysis, and the only remedy is to let you have your way. I challenge not your opinion, but your asssertion that this is fact-based and proof.
I do not feel that the U.S. is going Socialist! (read that long post I wrote... at the very top I answered the poll)
I do feel that America would be better off if the government got out of our lives and allowed us to keep the majority of the money we earned ourselves!
I do feel that a lot of people feel that it should become more Socialized... but obviously I do not!
What Socialist country have you lived in?
The guy from a page back thinks that we should give 75% to the government after we reach 20 million... do you?
I do feel that America would be better off if the government got out of our lives and allowed us to keep the majority of the money we earned ourselves!
***Everybody keeps a majority. Nobody is taxed above 50%
I do feel that a lot of people feel that it should become more Socialized... but obviously I do not!
*** "Handouts" to the poor are not socialism. Sociliasm is the removal of an entire industry from private hands and putting it inder government control.
What Socialist country have you lived in?
*** Romania, strictly. By your sandards, I would also have to say Canada, Guatemala, Chile, Bolivia, Paraguay, Jordan and Indonesia, which are all more socialist than the US.
The guy from a page back thinks that we should give 75% to the government after we reach 20 million... do you?
*** I would not specify a number. But I have serious doubts about the mental health of anybody who earns 20-million and needs more.
What exactly do you propose America does?
*** See to it that everybody has free access to all the education they can use and all the health care that they need, and the means to afford nutritious food and safe shelter. And personal dignity, which means not having to beg for it or stand in line for it. I am ashamed to live in such a rich country that begrudges these simple thins to so many.
I do feel that America would be better off if the government got out of our lives and allowed us to keep the majority of the money we earned ourselves!
***Everybody keeps a majority. Nobody is taxed above 50%
I do feel that a lot of people feel that it should become more Socialized... but obviously I do not!
*** "Handouts" to the poor are not socialism. Sociliasm is the removal of an entire industry from private hands and putting it inder government control.
What Socialist country have you lived in?
*** Romania, strictly. By your sandards, I would also have to say Canada, Guatemala, Chile, Bolivia, Paraguay, Jordan and Indonesia, which are all more socialist than the US.
The guy from a page back thinks that we should give 75% to the government after we reach 20 million... do you?
*** I would not specify a number. But I have serious doubts about the mental health of anybody who earns 20-million and needs more.
What exactly do you propose America does?
*** See to it that everybody has free access to all the education they can use and all the health care that they need, and the means to afford nutritious food and safe shelter. And personal dignity, which means not having to beg for it or stand in line for it. I am ashamed to live in such a rich country that begrudges these simple thins to so many.
Thank you.
You said that you have serious doubts about the mental health of anybody who earns 20-million and needs more... I have to dis-agree with that statement! I have never made anywhere close to a million dollars but I do know that the more you make... the more you spend. You stop eating 99 cent burgers from McDonalds and you out out to nice restaurants and eat a better quality of food. You for-go the fixer-upper and buy your self a luxury car with all of the safety features on it. You move out of your apartment or trailer or small house and buy your dream house. You pay for your children to go to an Ivy league college and not the community college. or you spring for a private school that has a great academic record/reputation/ and health record.
The more you make the more you spend... If I had $20 mil I could invest in shopping centers for a passive cash flow. etc.
I would stop eating off the 99-cent menu if I had an income of 20-thousand. Never mind 30-million. Actually, no I wouldn't, because frugality is a comforting lifestlye if you have not been forced into it.
Any person who needed to spend 20-million a year would be exhibiting, in my mind, some social adjustment and personal self-esteem flaws. Investing or otherwise using the money would be something else.
I would stop eating off the 99-cent menu if I had an income of 20-thousand. Never mind 30-million. Actually, no I wouldn't, because frugality is a comforting lifestlye if you have not been forced into it.
Any person who needed to spend 20-million a year would be exhibiting, in my mind, some social adjustment and personal self-esteem flaws. Investing or otherwise using the money would be something else.
I would stop eating off the 99-cent menu if I had an income of 20-thousand. Never mind 30-million. Actually, no I wouldn't, because frugality is a comforting lifestlye if you have not been forced into it.
Any person who needed to spend 20-million a year would be exhibiting, in my mind, some social adjustment and personal self-esteem flaws. Investing or otherwise using the money would be something else.
Any person who does make 20 million a year is a very productive member of our society and should be incentivized to earn even more - whether he thinks he needs it or not. At that level most people become philanthropists and their judgment is very good (much better than the yahoos in our government) at determining which charities will do the most good for our society.
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