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View Poll Results: Should companies provide paid maternity/paternity leave and provide subsidized child care?
Yes, they should provide both 4 14.81%
They should provide paid maternity leave but not paternity leave and provide subsidized child care 2 7.41%
No, they should not provide paid maternity or paternity leave but should subsidize child care 0 0%
They should provide paternity/maternity leave but it shouldn't be paid and they should provide subsidized child care 1 3.70%
They should provide paternity/maternity leave but it shouldn't be paid and they should not provide subsidized child care 14 51.85%
Other [in my comment] 6 22.22%
Voters: 27. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-25-2008, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Nothing sends an American employer into an apoplectic panic quicker than the idea that somebody might be getting a day off. Go to the post office in any major city in the world, and watch the travelers wandering in and out to check their Poste Resante mail. Very, very rarely an American, because Americans never get enough vacation time to go any further than Mount Rushmore, and even there, half the tourusts are from other countries. Even in nearby Guatemala, only a tiny few Americans compared to Europeans. On any day, there are probably more Australian tourists in Guatemala than Americans.

In Europe, a worker typically gets two weeks paid vacation in his first year, and three or four weeks after a full year. It goes up fairly quickly to six (or more) weeks in just a few years. Plenty of time take a liesurely bus trip thorugh South America. Not surprisingly, Europeans know a little about the rest of the globe, and Americans don't.
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Old 10-25-2008, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Nothing sends an American employer into an apoplectic panic quicker than the idea that somebody might be getting a day off. Go to the post office in any major city in the world, and watch the travelers wandering in and out to check their Poste Resante mail. Very, very rarely an American, because Americans never get enough vacation time to go any further than Mount Rushmore, and even there, half the tourusts are from other countries. Even in nearby Guatemala, only a tiny few Americans compared to Europeans. On any day, there are probably more Australian tourists in Guatemala than Americans.

In Europe, a worker typically gets two weeks paid vacation in his first year, and three or four weeks after a full year. It goes up fairly quickly to six (or more) weeks in just a few years. Plenty of time take a liesurely bus trip thorugh South America. Not surprisingly, Europeans know a little about the rest of the globe, and Americans don't.
Oh please - now, you are trying to deflect from 12 weeks - 3 MONTHS of PAID maternity leave (not vacation) to now an opinion that Americans don't get enough vacation to even travel - that is absurd.

My secretary just got back from a trip to Europe - she had accumulated 3 weeks vacation after a few years employment.

We don't need this Europe type 12 weeks paid vacation crap
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Old 10-25-2008, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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We don't need this Europe type 12 weeks paid vacation crap

Look, see? You keep people chained to their desks too long and they become uncivil, and start calling other people's views crap.
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Old 10-25-2008, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Look, see? You keep people chained to their desks too long and they become uncivil, and start calling other people's views crap.
Government / Mandatory 12 week paid vacation is crap -
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Old 10-25-2008, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Government / Mandatory 12 week paid vacation is crap -

Define "crap". People who engage in thoughtful and polite discourse might not know what you mean by that.

Do you mean that the vacation itself is crap, but not necessarly the idea that such a vacation might be a good policy? Or are you saying the idea is also crap? The vacation and the idea are both abstractions, and I'm interested in seeing how you separate the two on the crap scale.
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Old 10-25-2008, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Earth
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saganista, if the behavior of the government was to take care of all who need it, I might feel differently.
But it's not.
Reagan closed down the mental health facilities for our infirm, greatly increasing the number of people uncared for and living on the streets.
Our elderly aren't cared for.
Our homeless population continues to grow.
These are sectors of the population who are already living and can't care for themselves. Nor are they cared for by the society.
People who choose parenthood get a lot of benefits from it that are not universally applied to the entire populace.
Are not my choices and pursuits as valuable as those of people who choose to have kids?
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