Gay interracial relationships (controversial, abuse, claim, homosexuals)

[LongHornGuy86]

You know what the two most controversial topics are on this board? Gays and interracial relationships. I'm a white gay guy, and I'm in an interracial relationship with a black guy.

Why is it that these two topics are so controversial? I find this particularly interesting given the recent outings of Ted Haggard, Mark Foley, and not to mention the tons of Catholic priests. I've never understood why race and interracial dating were a problem, possibly the idea that whites are superior?

You've got the big, bad, almighty Pope giving his opinions on homosexuality, when a good number of the very Catholic priests he represents are not only homosexual, but also pedophiles as well. If anything, it demonstrates the homosexuals you hate are very much a part of your life, whether you know it or not.

Homosexuality has existed since the beginning of mankind, and will continue exist until the end of mankind. It's not going anywhere, so you might as well get over your prejudices and accept people for the way they are.

As you've probably guessed, I AM GAY. I'm 20, in college and recently had to accept me for me. I went through periods of denial, contemplated suicide for awhile, and abused alcohol. Then one day I just had to accept it. I'd rather accept it now, then do something I regret later and hurt everyone involed.

You see, I realized that many of the people who are most homophobic, turn out to themselves be closeted homos. Besides, why should I care if people have a problem with it?

When you look at the basis for which people judge other people, it just makes no sense. Why do people care who other people choose to be with? I'll close this with an important reminder to anyone who may be reading this:

Homosexuality is just as valid as heterosexuality. Just because it's not as common does not make it any less valid. It is fully documented and observed in nature and purely biological (not a choice). So, it is simply not fair to discriminate against homosexuals. Do you discriminate against people with downs sydrome?

I don't care what any of you think of me or the way I live my life.

[RedWingsFan]

Originally Posted by fratman5

Homosexuality is just as valid as heterosexuality..

To you it is, not to others. Therein lies the controversy, it's not something everyone agrees on as being "valid."

Originally Posted by fratman5

It is fully documented and observed in nature and purely biological (not a choice). .

That's one side of the coin. It's debatable, many believe it's not biological. There is no gene for gayness.

Originally Posted by fratman5

So, it is simply not fair to discriminate against homosexuals. .

The world is not fair. That's just life.

Originally Posted by fratman5

Do you discriminate against people with downs sydrome?

Originally Posted by fratman5

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I'm sure some people do. For example, they may have a hard time getting dates or jobs because of their condition. Not that they can't do the job well or make a great mate, but some will discriminate simply because of their down's syndrome. However, you are comparing being gay to having a disability. Are you saying that gayness is a disability for which we should start doing research to figure out what causes it and try to come up with a cure or prevention for it? Because that's the case for down's syndrome.

Originally Posted by fratman5

I don't care what any of you think of me or the way I live my life.

I would respectfully beg to differ. If you really didn't care you would not have posted your message stating your case for why the world should accept you. I think it's just the opposite, because you are gay and in an interracial relationship I think you are very insecure and wanting desperately for people to accept you and how you live your life. That's fine. We all have the need for acceptance. But be honest, you do care or you wouldn't be posting about it, especially to such length.

[MoMark]

Sounds like all you do is care what other people think. I'm waiting for the next thread which talks about the gay Eskimo amputee you're dating and why the world is uncaring and hateful.
My guess is that no one is as interested in you as a gay white man dating a gay black man than you are. You sound purposefully self-conscious and to be seeking out attention. I'd even venture to say that you purposely sought a gay black guy just so you could have something controversial (in your mind) to defend, maybe shock the family, whatever. Sounds like you're using him.
I'd also guess that you're simply not getting the attention you expected. People honestly don't give a crap.
At 20, you've got to start growing up fratman5.

[RedWingsFan]

Originally Posted by MoMark

Sounds like all you do is care what other people think. I'm waiting for the next thread with talks about the gay Eskimo amputee you're dating and why the world is uncaring and hateful.
My guess is that no one is as interested in you as a gay white man dating a gay black man than you are. You sound purposefully self-conscious and to be seeking out attention. I'd even venture to say that you purposely sought a gay black guy just so you could have something controversial (in your mind) to defend, maybe shock the family, whatever. Sounds like you're using him.
I'd also guess that you're simply not getting the attention you expected. People honestly don't give a crap.
At 20, you've got to start growing up fratman5.

Yeah, that's what I was saying!

[LongHornGuy86]

Originally Posted by RedWingsFan

To you it is, not to others. Therein lies the controversy, it's not something everyone agrees on as being "valid."

And you know what else, 50 years ago, people believed blacks not to be valid, or equal Some still probably don't (based on your posts, I'd classify you with these people). A thousand years ago, people believed the apocolyspe was coming. People today believe in a book written 2000 years ago by a bunch of men, and use it to judge others, while claiming "the word of God".

Originally Posted by RedWingsFan

That's one side of the coin. It's debatable, many believe it's not biological. There is no gene for gayness.

I love the way ignorant people use genetics when it benefits their argument, yet refuse to acknowledge the fact that homosexuality is not a choice. If it's not a choice, what other factors could lead to homosexuality? Given that I am gay, I'm in more of a position to answer that question than someone who is not.

While there may be no single gene responsible for homosexuality, the cause is genetic. Whether it was hormones, genes, or a combination of the two.

Originally Posted by RedWingsFan

Are you saying that gayness is a disability for which we should start doing research to figure out what causes it and try to come up with a cure or prevention for it? Because that's the case for down's syndrome.

There is no cure for trisomy 23, or Down's sydrome. The condition is caused by an extra chromosome, and it's purely random--there's no risk factors and it's impossible to predict who is susceptible.

The differenec is that homosexuality is not a "disability". It is natural, and has been documented since the beginning of mankind. No amount of research can "cure" or prevent homosexuality. Deal with it.

Originally Posted by RedWingsFan

...I think you are very insecure and wanting desperately for people to accept you and how you live your life. That's fine. We all have the need for acceptance. But be honest, you do care or you wouldn't be posting about it, especially to such length.

Well, I think you're probably a fat, old hick who's ignorance keeps him from being open minded and realizing that not everything the Bible says is true.

Do not judge me. You don't know who I am, the struggles I've went through, or anything about what it's like to be gay. I don't care what anyone thinks, rather I'm trying to figure out what is so damn controversial about a black and white person dating, and why being gay (something as natural as being straight) is looked down upon.

[LongHornGuy86]

Originally Posted by MoMark

Sounds like all you do is care what other people think. I'm waiting for the next thread which talks about the gay Eskimo amputee you're dating and why the world is uncaring and hateful.
My guess is that no one is as interested in you as a gay white man dating a gay black man than you are. You sound purposefully self-conscious and to be seeking out attention. I'd even venture to say that you purposely sought a gay black guy just so you could have something controversial (in your mind) to defend, maybe shock the family, whatever. Sounds like you're using him.
I'd also guess that you're simply not getting the attention you expected. People honestly don't give a crap.
At 20, you've got to start growing up fratman5.

Okay. So if you saw two masculine guys (one black one white) and then found out they were in a gay relationship you wouldn't be taken aback? I'm willing to bet you would. Not only would you be taken aback, you'd also probably have negative thoughts.

[RedWingsFan]

fratman, once again you are proving how badly you are wanting acceptance and care what others think.

By the way, there are risk factors when it comes to Down's Syndrome, look them up. One of them is being older than 35 when pregnant (I know, I was 35 when I recently had my son. I had to undergo testing for it because I was considered "AMA" or advanced maternal age.)

Get the chip off your shoulder, YOU are judging you and your lifestyle much more than any of us are.

[LongHornGuy86]

I love the term "lifestyle". YOU THINK I CHOSE THIS "LIFESTYLE". How come no one ever refers to a straight "lifestyle". Oh yeah, that's right, being straight is the only valid sexuality.

Homos are of course the deviants, looking to shock and be controversial. I don't know what it will take to make people realize how dumb they sound with their generalizations, judgements, and stupidity.

[UB50]

Originally Posted by fratman5

Okay. So if you saw two masculine guys (one black one white) and then found out they were in a gay relationship you wouldn't be taken aback? I'm willing to bet you would. Not only would you be taken aback, you'd also probably have negative thoughts.

I'm not sure what you mean by "masculine." Do you mean "straight acting" or "bodybuilders"?

For anyone who lives in a city in California, the situation you described (one black, one white, gay couple) is extremely common. There's nothing odd about it at all. Don't you remember the Village People?

[RedWingsFan]

Originally Posted by fratman5

I love the term "lifestyle". YOU THINK I CHOSE THIS "LIFESTYLE". How come no one ever refers to a straight "lifestyle". Oh yeah, that's right, being straight is the only valid sexuality.

Homos are of course the deviants, looking to shock and be controversial. I don't know what it will take to make people realize how dumb they sound with their generalizations, judgements, and stupidity.

See? You have a chip on your shoulder about your lifestyle. Look up the definition of the word lifestyle, you will see it's an acceptable word for this thread.

You are making generalizations and judgements about people that aren't gay. If you would stop judging yourself and your lifestyle so harshly I think you would realize others aren't doing it as much! No matter what anyone says you are analyzing every word as it it must be a hidden code to say that we despise you and your gayness. Get over it already!