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Old 10-30-2008, 10:18 PM
 
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What does this say for the period of 2001-2006 when the GOP controlled Congress?
It says, they've screwed everything up, yet love to point to the last two years as if it is the Democrat's fault things are so effed up. Pass the buck. Typical.
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Old 10-30-2008, 10:20 PM
 
Location: ✶✶✶✶
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It says, they've screwed everything up, yet love to point to the last two years as if it is the Democrat's fault things are so effed up. Pass the buck. Typical.
But I thought the GOP was the party of personal responsibility.
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Old 10-30-2008, 10:22 PM
 
Location: Le Grand, Ca
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Oops... Wrong thread!!!
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Old 10-31-2008, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Erie, PA
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To the original poster,

Doesn't the title of this thread indicate you've already made up your mind who is responsible? You called it the Bush mess, not the Reid mess, McCain mess, Pelosi mess, etc.
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Old 10-31-2008, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, USA
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If things would have gone opposite while he was in office he would be Bush the genius and one of the greatest presidents ever. We know he doesn't deserve all the credit if that would have been the situation. As it is now, he's so dumb he should have been quintuplets. Nobody can be that stupid all on their own.
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Old 10-31-2008, 01:24 PM
 
Location: T or C New Mexico
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A few dollars more.
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I am curious considering at least half of the population voted for him in the last two elections. He ran (which is not his fault) and won, so whose fault is it for all the problems he created?

1) As I said before, at least half of the voters, voted for him. Are they at fault?

2) Is it Democrats fault? They put up contenders like Al Gore (who in my opinion is even worse than Bush) and John Kerry (don't know what the presidency would be like with him in it). Is the Dems fault for putting out bad competing candidates?

3) Even though Clinton (and Dems) started the Housing mess, Bush and the GOP continued it to the Housing bust. Is it Clinton's and Dems fault for this whole mess or is it the GOP and Bush fault for continuing the flawed liberal plan?

4) The Iraq war was a war of special interests of collusion between Big Oil and Big Government. Is it their fault that they "tipped" over the economic crisis? Or is the millions of Americans (including liberals and conservatives) who were "for" the war at the beginning?

5) The GOP controlled Congress for most of the part in the Bush years but the Dems had a significant power in Congress as well. Was it the Dems fault for not stopping the neo-conservatives plots? Or is it the neo-conservatives fault for not being stopped?

6) The Dems took over Congress in the last two years or so, but have made a lot of blunders during that time. Is it the Dems fault for all the mess afterwards? Or is it Bush's fault because he was their figurehead?

Undoubtedly, Bush is one of the worst presidents ever... whose fault is it? The people who elected him? The people (including liberals) who clamored for his policies? The fact that he followed liberal policies from the Clinton, is it Clinton's fault? Is it Big Business/Big Oil's fault who created his policies in the last eight years? So whose fault is it? And how are they paying? Is it the GOP's fault for enacting his bad policies? Is it the Dems fault for not stopping these policies? Is the Dems fault when they took power and did more wrong things? Whose fault is it? We blame Bush... but I suspect, the neo-conservatives, the liberals, the GOP, the Dems, and Big Business/Big Oil are all at fault... even when "they" are the problem, what do I see in this election? Big Oil is expanding with more drilling... and record profits. Big Business is getting bailouts from taxpayers money. The Dems are taking hold over Senate and House and perhaps the Presidency. The liberals are demanding more handouts when we have $10 trillion in debt. The neo-conservatives demand worldwide US presence because they think controlling the world is better than managing our own problems. Bush is leaving the presidency with a HUGE windfall from his oil buddies. The GOP is perhaps a dying breed because they betrayed true conservative values for neo-conservative values... we just continue making things worse... almost nobody paid for this mess...

So whose fault is it? Americans are suffering from the web of problems they weaved themselves by keeping the Dems and GOP in office. When will Americans learn that the problem are both with Dems and GOP? They weaved too much of a Big Government to keep them in the politcal forays... We need an end to corruption... Will Obama be the answer? Honestly, I think he will "try" to end corruption but in the end, he will put corruption in place of corruption... socialism is the ultimate in corruption... doesn't he understand that? Whose fault will it be when Obama makes the situation even worse? Will McCain be the answer? McCain wants to fight corruption but at the same time leave loopholes in the system to continue the corruption... I wanted a candidate to fight the corruption... I wanted Ron Paul to win... alas... Americans choose for more corruption instead which is the heart of the problem... so I guess in the end, Americans are the ones to be blamed... they invited this mess for a few dollars in their hands..
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Old 10-31-2008, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Wilmington, NC
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we are responsible for our own destiny.
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Old 10-31-2008, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Orlando, Florida
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I think to blame Bush or Clinton or anyone else for everything is naive and shows a lack of knowledge.
Not one person makes a mess and not one person can fix it. It will take a national effort and I seriously doubt we are selfless enough as Americans to do what is right for anyone other than our own self.
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Old 10-31-2008, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Honestly, it is no more complicated than this. One has to look:


YouTube - American Election Hacker Testifies

Enjoy. It's all there.
"YouTube" is not the news!
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Old 10-31-2008, 03:19 PM
 
Location: southern california
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50% of americans did not vote.
we have met the enemy and he is us.
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