Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
oh..and the fact that the so-called self styled "gay" people are CONSTANTLY PUSHING THEIR AGENDA ON EVERYONE ELSE!
That has a great deal to do with it.
Um... the CHRISTIAN/RELGIOUS PEOPLE ARE CONSTANTLY PUSHING THEIR AGENDA ON EVERYONE ELSE!
See, I can use capital letters and make a good point as well. And if you're basing not liking gay marriage on the sex...they aren't you being a little perverted? I know a gay couple (men) that have never had sex. They've been together 5 years and yes, have participated in oral sex, but not actual sex. Have you ever been involved in oral sex?? EWWWW GROSSSS!
oh..and the fact that the so-called self styled "gay" people are CONSTANTLY PUSHING THEIR AGENDA ON EVERYONE ELSE!
That has a great deal to do with it.
blah blah blah, such a tired old argument. pushing their agenda, actually YOU who are against gay marriage are pushing YOUR agenda & quite frankly it's getting old
That is the difference between a bigot and an open minded person.. I can not undrestand or condone a certain lifestyle..b ut who am I to tell someone else what is right or wrong and take away their rights as a result of what i feel is right or wrong.
Ok, you say who are you to say...well, society makes laws based on collective morality all the time. People say you can't legislate morality, but actually almost all of our laws are based on legislating morality. We as a society decide what behaviors we consider moral or immoral and the law is based on this collective morality for the most part. We detemine as a society what we feel should be legitimized and what should not. Many in this country do not agree that homosexuality is a desirable lifestyle and should not be legitimized and encouraged by legalizing the unions. (I know that by saying this I will probably be branded as someone who hates gays, etc, but, in actuality, nothing could be further from the truth.)
Ok, you say who are you to say...well, society makes laws based on collective morality all the time. People say you can't legislate morality, but actually almost all of our laws are based on legislating morality. We as a society decide what behaviors we consider moral or immoral and the law is based on this collective morality for the most part. We detemine as a society what we feel should be legitimized and what should not. Many in this country do not agree that homosexuality is a desirable lifestyle and should not be legitimized and encouraged by legalizing the unions. (I know that by saying this I will probably be branded as someone who hates gays, etc, but, in actuality, nothing could be further from the truth.)
I get exactly what your saying. It's the last part that threw me off a bit... you say you don't want to encourage or legitimize their relationships? I think they're born that way and nomatter what you do, some people are going to be gay. By banning it, you're not going to stop anyone from being gay, or help them 'change their mind'.
umm its actually a fact. the best enviroment is a mother and father figure for either gender of children. the second best is a same sex parent. so a son with a father or daughter with a mother..
children who are adopted by gays sometimes recieve counciling, to help them understand whats happening
Children wouldn't need to have counseling if parents didn't pass on hatred to their children. Children are taught at home to hate gays/blacks/whites/Mexicans/people that are fat/pretty much anything that is different from their parents. They do not come out of the womb hating, they are taught this! If children learn that it is ok to be different then there wouldn't be hate and confusion...just because a child is taught that same sex marriage is ok doesn't mean they will become gay!! It means that they will not discriminate, not hate.
I get exactly what your saying. It's the last part that threw me off a bit... you say you don't want to encourage or legitimize their relationships? I think they're born that way and nomatter what you do, some people are going to be gay. By banning it, you're not going to stop anyone from being gay, or help them 'change their mind'.
Well, this isn't the thread for discussing the causes of homosexuality but I supposed it's intertwined with this. Personally, even if there does prove to be a genetic bent towards homosexuality, I don't believe someone has to necessarily give expression to that. (I know this opinion is highly controversial, and again this is beyond this scope of this current thread.) Regardless, people can choose to live as they please, but if society legalizes these unions, it's as if they have given society's "blessing" or consent to it. Again, this is not hatred of any kind. It's just personal conviction about a matter. And again, collectively, as a society, we do make laws based on our personal convictions about what's moral and what is not.
I do not surmise that at all. I have had several proponents of gay/lesbian marriages espouse that it is wrong for incest and/or underage marriages. My argument was they, then, become hypocrits for passing rights of one minority while holding back those same rights for others.
As I've firmly stated before, I'm against the lifestyle. I am also against an incestuous lifestyle as I am underage marriage lifestyles. And the only way I can express that when pressed is through voting.
52% of a state said they disapprove of marriage. But, that's not good enough. I don't think anyone has argued it's right or not. They just don't agree with it.
Maybe in 5 years, or 10 years or 100 years peoples opinions will change. But calling people names and blaming them for their beliefs (based on anything, regardless of whether it's religious or not) is not going to make someone go "Oh... I'm a bigot.. okay.. I'll change my vote."
Incest and underage marriage is equatable to homosexual marriages?
The reason incest in prohibitive is the fear of birthing children with chormosonal problems -- y'know, the whole one stranded dna thing. Obviously gays would not have this problem. Also, it should be noted that consanguinity was not uncommon in the royal houses of Europe --- does the name 'Hapsburg' ring a bell?
As far as underage marriage goes......please, homosexual marriage is like heterosexual marriage in that it requires that both people be of age and sound mind. That will not change, as minors are unable to enter into legal contracts, and what is marriage if not a legal contract?
Really, I don't understand the brouhaha from the hetero standpoint. What could be more moral majority then wanting to produce monogamous family structures?
Well, this isn't the thread for discussing the causes of homosexuality but I supposed it's intertwined with this. Personally, even if there does prove to be a genetic bent towards homosexuality, I don't believe someone has to necessarily give expression to that. (I know this opinion is highly controversial, and again this is beyond this scope of this current thread.) Regardless, people can choose to live as they please, but if society legalizes these unions, it's as if they have given society's "blessing" or consent to it. Again, this is not hatred of any kind. It's just personal conviction about a matter. And again, collectively, as a society, we do make laws based on our personal convictions about what's moral and what is not.
I get what you mean. Unfortunately, not accepting homosexuality is not going to stop them from being born. It's just going to create a lot of unloved suicidal lonely people and that's really not good for a healthy society. I'm a heterosexual woman, I am in no way attracted to other women and if for some odd reason heterosexual marriage is banned (again, completely hypothetical) I would still be attracted to men, even if society told me it was wrong. I am in no means attacking you or your beliefs, I'm just curious on how you could feel like that
oh..and the fact that the so-called self styled "gay" people are CONSTANTLY PUSHING THEIR AGENDA ON EVERYONE ELSE!
That has a great deal to do with it.
If gay sex bothers you so much, then I would suggest you stop watching gay porn. Otherwise, I don't know where you are seeing all of this gay sex. I've never seen gay sex, gays that I know do not have sex in front of me or the rest of the unsuspecting public. I mean, I see more hetero sex on tv and that grosses me out -- and I am hetero!
But watching topless girls pretend the big O is a wholesome hetero activity, right?
As far as the scary 'gay agenda', what would that be? The desire to marry? Gay people are not out recruiting.
y do all discusions about this.
english american and norwegian forunms.
always brings in incest??
do pep realy think incest and gay is similar in anyway??
here i norway its now open for gay marrige. and they are talking about gay rights for adoption.
but the church is not forced to marry any aginst their will.
i think that is good.
another thing.
y is those against say they feel the goverment push others opinions on them
and so..
but then got no problem to push and force in their own opinions on others!!
the "right2 way to do is to have this open.
those who have legal right to marry pep can marry those they feel like. (all adults ofc)
and have right to deny marry they they dont feel right in their church
its right what u say no on shud be forced others way of thinking. but this goes both ways.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
