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Old 11-09-2008, 09:03 AM
 
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We've been well into socialism for quite awhile now. We're now transitioning into communism. Nikita Khrushchev was pointing out the points of our transition way back in the 50s. Even though McCarthy was very much a nut case, he was actually correct. Hey, just because you're crazy, it doesn't mean you're stupid or wrong. McCarthy's failure was that his fanaticism led him to the wrong people. He actually contributed more to the rise of big government and socialism in the US than any other single person in the 20th century. Ironically, like a moth to the flame, he was so focused on what he was trying to escape that he steered himself and the nation right smack into it.

There really were communists trying to undermine our government. That's neither here nor there. What puzzles me is that so many folks are denying that they are socialists or communists when they actually are very much so. Though I don't want communism, I don't hold it against anyone who has those views. It's their life and they're free to make their own choices but I am troubled by the fact that they delude themselves into thinking they aren't what they are.

We all seem to like to throw the word "democracy" around. Well, the US wasn't formed as a democracy though it embraced many democratic principals. We are far more democratic now than we were in the 18th century. The big problem with democracy is that most folks don't really understand that true democracy and communism are the same thing with a different label. That's how half-truths are used to deceive. A bold lie won't fool anyone but if you spatter a fabrication with just enough truth, it'll be taken as all truth. Enough sugar coating will make even the foulest of poisons palatable.

I don't find fault with anyone who has communistic views as it is their right to think as they wish, for now at least. In fact I see many desirable qualities in the theoretical aspects of communism. But...people are what they are and greed and the lust for power will always be the driving force. Even a perfect communism must inevitably fall into bureaucratic despotism where the masses are subjugated by the few elite who don't have to stand in bread lines as the limited resources are spread evenly amongst the masses.

Anyway, we're heading to communism and I really don't see it as anything but inevitable but I wish the communists would at least admit, if only to themselves, that they are what they are.
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Old 11-09-2008, 09:13 AM
 
Location: South FL
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Great, dictatorship soon, smh.

so much for being ''free'' .
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Old 11-09-2008, 09:13 AM
 
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Anyway, we're heading to communism and I really don't see it as anything but inevitable but I wish the communists would at least admit, if only to themselves, that they are what they are.
Perhaps you should first admit to being an antifarthist. Now, I have no idea what an antifarthist is, but I also have no idea of what a communist is from reading your post.
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Old 11-09-2008, 09:32 AM
 
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Perhaps you should first admit to being an antifarthist. Now, I have no idea what an antifarthist is, but I also have no idea of what a communist is from reading your post.
After reading many of your posts, I'm not at all surprised that you're not getting my point.
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Old 11-09-2008, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Thumb of Michigan
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We've been well into socialism for quite awhile now. We're now transitioning into communism. Nikita Khrushchev was pointing out the points of our transition way back in the 50s. Even though McCarthy was very much a nut case, he was actually correct. Hey, just because you're crazy, it doesn't mean you're stupid or wrong. McCarthy's failure was that his fanaticism led him to the wrong people. He actually contributed more to the rise of big government and socialism in the US than any other single person in the 20th century. Ironically, like a moth to the flame, he was so focused on what he was trying to escape that he steered himself and the nation right smack into it.

There really were communists trying to undermine our government. That's neither here nor there. What puzzles me is that so many folks are denying that they are socialists or communists when they actually are very much so. Though I don't want communism, I don't hold it against anyone who has those views. It's their life and they're free to make their own choices but I am troubled by the fact that they delude themselves into thinking they aren't what they are.

We all seem to like to throw the word "democracy" around. Well, the US wasn't formed as a democracy though it embraced many democratic principals. We are far more democratic now than we were in the 18th century. The big problem with democracy is that most folks don't really understand that true democracy and communism are the same thing with a different label. That's how half-truths are used to deceive. A bold lie won't fool anyone but if you spatter a fabrication with just enough truth, it'll be taken as all truth. Enough sugar coating will make even the foulest of poisons palatable.

I don't find fault with anyone who has communistic views as it is their right to think as they wish, for now at least. In fact I see many desirable qualities in the theoretical aspects of communism. But...people are what they are and greed and the lust for power will always be the driving force. Even a perfect communism must inevitably fall into bureaucratic despotism where the masses are subjugated by the few elite who don't have to stand in bread lines as the limited resources are spread evenly amongst the masses.

Anyway, we're heading to communism and I really don't see it as anything but inevitable but I wish the communists would at least admit, if only to themselves, that they are what they are.

Yeah, a good read with respect to your post is a book by David Horowitz called the 'Radical Son: A Generational Odyssey' Radical Son: A Generational Odyssey - Google Book Search

another link...

http://www.amazon.com/Radical-Son-Ge.../dp/0684840057

Mentions Nikita Khrushchev and many other socialist and communist aspects.

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Old 11-09-2008, 12:28 PM
 
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After reading many of your posts, I'm not at all surprised that you're not getting my point.
Your point seems to be that you consider a lot of people to be communists (without actually defining what that means) and are somehow upset that more of them don't agree with you. Does that about sum it up?
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Old 11-09-2008, 12:44 PM
 
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Your point seems to be that you consider a lot of people to be communists (without actually defining what that means) and are somehow upset that more of them don't agree with you. Does that about sum it up?
I'm guessing he thinks the state interference in the banking system is communist. However, it would really be communist if we were taking over the banks. But we're not. We're giving them more money. This is a further concentration of the public's wealth towards the wealthy, the opposite of an egalitarian society where everything is owned by the state.

I also don't understand how democracy and communism are the same. You can have one, both, or neither in the the same government. One involves more specifically the economic role of the government, and one involves the public's involvement and roles in deadling with its government.
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Old 11-09-2008, 02:15 PM
 
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Wow man I keep getting these checks from the IRS man. Far out!

Do you understand that this tax adjustment absolutely in no way pays people who don't pay taxes? Do you think the govt.is going to send them a check? WHY? SHOW ME ONE QUOTE from Obama saying he is going to mail out checks. It's a TAX adjustment. Less draconian that of past REPUBLICANS! get over it!



You lost. He is not a socialist for raising taxes on rich to 39% versus REAGAN'S 50%.

Get a godamned GRIP! You give me pasted crap from biased site, I gave you government records of taxes by year.

People who already pay no taxes do not lose nor benefit from this!

i did not quote anything from obama, i got his tax plan info off of the Obama/Biden website that i had sourced for ya. Seeing as how most of the responders do not have much of an education and probably never make more than 40k a year; im guessing you'll get the brunt of the big tax joke, so nope your the ones whos going to loose and loose ALOT. Ha, enjoy.

I could also give a care about what Reagan did, as its now 2008 close to 09, someone needs to remind you that.
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Old 11-09-2008, 02:58 PM
 
Location: The Coldest Place
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i did not quote anything from obama, i got his tax plan info off of the Obama/Biden website that i had sourced for ya. Seeing as how most of the responders do not have much of an education and probably never make more than 40k a year; im guessing you'll get the brunt of the big tax joke, so nope your the ones whos going to loose and loose ALOT. Ha, enjoy.

I could also give a care about what Reagan did, as its now 2008 close to 09, someone needs to remind you that.
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Old 11-09-2008, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Socialism -- it's a business established for the profit of the Class-A stockholders of the Federal Reserve Banks.

Federal citizens under the so-called 14th Amendment possessing a Social Security Number function as security for the mounting federal debt.

The Social Security System is based upon constructive fraud as evidenced by the following facts:

That the Social Security Administration and the United States Congress, with full knowledge of the following facts:

01) Did not reveal the truth that the Social Security Act is a compulsory excise tax under Title II and VIII, which only creates a revocable statutory right (SEE Hearings before a Subcommittee of the Committee on Ways and Means, House of Representatives, 83rd Congress, First Session on the Legal Status of OASI benefits, dated 27-November-1953, part 6, pages 906, 932, 963).

02) Did not reveal the truth that the Social Security Act is not insurance, nor does it go into a separate trust fund, nor does it create any vested rights. -- Supra page 1014.

03) Did deliberately and willfully withhold the information that upon the obtaining of the Social Security Number, that a natural-born state Citizen would have to pay over 50% of his/her wages acquired in exchange quid-pro-quo, for the rest of his working life as an income tax, as instigated and established for the profit of the Federal Reserve Banks.

04) Did not reveal and disclose the truth that upon obtaining a Social Security Number, a natural-born state Citizen would lose his primary state Citizenship, Privileges and Immunities, and become a business entity under Social Security, and an enfranchised person under the so-called 14th Amendment, and would lose access to his Constitutional Rights as guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, and Amendments 1 through 10, and instead would become a federal citizen and receive privileges and immunities which are revocable at the pleasure of the legislature (SEE Section 1104 of the Social Security Act, and Article I, Section 7, of the California Constitution, and Amendment 14 of the U.S. Constitution).

"[9, 10] The privileges and immunities clause of the Fourteenth Amendment protects very few rights because it neither incorporates any of the Bill of Rights nor protects all rights of individual citizens. See Slaughter-House Cases, 83 U.S.(16 Wall.) 36, 21 L.Ed. 394 (1873). Instead, this provision protects only those rights peculiar to being a citizen of the federal government; it does not protect those rights which relate to state citizenship." -- JONES V. TEMMER 829 F. SUPP. 1226 (D.COLO. 1993)


05) Did not reveal and disclose the truth that the Social Security Number would be used for the absolute control U.S. citizens under the so-called 14th Amendment, as evidenced by the various orders instituted by the Internal Revenue Service (similar to the Nazi Concentration Camp Number or federal serial number).

06) Have willfully and deliberately utilized Section 1104 of the Social Security Act to deprive over 250 million people of their statutory rights and property as established by the Original Social Security Act.

07) Did, with the utilization of constructive fraud by non-disclosure, deceit, coercion, intimidation, and duress, defrauded natural-born state Citizens of common-law Citizenship, and inalienable/unalienable rights to life, liberty, and property at the instigation of the Federal Reserve Banks for the profit of the Class-A stockholders of the Federal Reserve Banks.

08) That by the willful and deliberate non-disclosure of the above information and still continuing to state Social Security is "voluntary" and "insurance," when in fact it is not, and in fact and operation it is a compulsory excise tax, and thus compels natural-born state Citizens to surrender constitutional state Citizenship, and to deprive natural-born state Citizens of their Privileges and Immunities as state Citizens, in order to be regulated and to pay an "income tax" for the profit of the Federal Reserve Banks, is fraud instituted by the U.S. Congress; the Department of Health and Human Services; the Internal Revenue Service; the Federal Reserve Banks, Inc., with the assistance and approval of the U.S. Attorney General's Office, with the intent to establish the 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto within the United States as they are in operation now, and to abolish the intent of the United States Constitution as it was established by the Founding Fathers to have a republic, not a Socialistic Slave State for the enrichment of the Class-A stockholders of the Federal Reserve Banks.
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