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I couldn't make it through this thread without doing some cleanup.
People keep pooping all over the floor.
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Originally Posted by Wapasha
Does quadrupling the national debt by 0bama, in your mind, NOT qualify as "fiscal irresponsibility"? Ask our grandchildren in 20 years what they think, when they are still trying to pay off that debt.
You are going to have to bring some numbers.
Going from 10.5 trillion to 17 trillion is no quadrupling.
Making things up?
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Originally Posted by sanrene
Bam Bam the dunce legacy = $17 TRILLION dollar deficit.
Which is worse?
Deficit and debt are two different things.
After all this time you've spent complaining about spending, I'd expect you'd know the difference.
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Originally Posted by cleanhouse
Come on Liberals! Where are you? you hammered W for running the deficit to a trillion but Obama running it to 5 trillion by the end of term 1 does not mean anything to you?
This appears to be solid evidence that liberals are misguided and are following the Great Obama no matter what he proposes. He cannot be wrong!
Are you making up numbers? Any number will do?
1.3 trillion (bush, no wars cost, no tarp, and budget tricks) to 1.7 trillion (obama, wars included, tarp included, stimulus included, transparency increased) is what the CBO projects.
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Originally Posted by sanrene
How do you reconcile Bush's $1 Trillion dollar deficit with Obama's $17 Trillion dollar deficit.
I'm just curious how a leftist mind finds the justification.
Ok, so Obama is going to spend 19 trillion this year, despite the budget being 3.6?
Clintons surplus was an accounting scam that had nothing to do with his Presidency except he stayed ouyt of the way(Thank God for Newt). W has spent alot and more than I think was necessary. He had alot of dirty work to do so we kind of had to give him the checkbook.
Data ?
The bottom line is Clinton was able to produce a Surplus in order to pay the debt down. While Bush doubled the debt and sent the deficit to the moon. That's what happens when you cut taxes, while waging two wars simultaneously and oversee one of the largest expansions of medicare/medicaid in history. I always get a good laugh out of those who call themselves conservatives and voted for Bush. There was nothing conservative about the last eight years, it would make a drunken sailor blush.
But don't let facts get in the way of your pipe dreams or anything like that.
The bottom line is Clinton was able to produce a Surplus in order to pay the debt down. While Bush doubled the debt and sent the deficit to the moon. That's what happens when you cut taxes, while waging two wars simultaneously and oversee one of the largest expansions of medicare/medicaid in history. I always get a good laugh out of those who call themselves conservatives and voted for Bush. There was nothing conservative about the last eight years, it would make a drunken sailor blush.
But don't let facts get in the way of your pipe dreams or anything like that.
you are correct about conservatives voting for Bush. my hope is most will learn a lesson and not vote Republican anymore.
The bottom line is Clinton was able to produce a Surplus in order to pay the debt down. While Bush doubled the debt and sent the deficit to the moon. That's what happens when you cut taxes, while waging two wars simultaneously and oversee one of the largest expansions of medicare/medicaid in history. I always get a good laugh out of those who call themselves conservatives and voted for Bush. There was nothing conservative about the last eight years, it would make a drunken sailor blush.
But don't let facts get in the way of your pipe dreams or anything like that.
So do you complain about obama increasing it nearly ten fold with less than a year in office?
you are correct about conservatives voting for Bush. my hope is most will learn a lesson and not vote Republican anymore.
Two-time Bush voter here (actually three times when you include gubenatorial elections). I personally think Bush was a murderer and am very sad to see the current state of the GOP. That said, I will continue to vote red only because I still find the Republican Party the lesser of two evils.
Two-time Bush voter here (actually three times when you include gubenatorial elections). I personally think Bush was a murderer and am very sad to see the current state of the GOP. That said, I will continue to vote red only because I still find the Republican Party the lesser of two evils.
I could not vote that way anymore. I could not supress my conscience anymore just to say "I do not want to throw away my vote". Well guess what-- I did worse than throwing away my vote in 2000 and 2004.
I could not vote that way anymore. I could not supress my conscience anymore just to say "I do not want to throw away my vote". Well guess what-- I did worse than throwing away my vote in 2000 and 2004.
I don't agree with the libertarian party on most things. I'm somewhat libertarian-leaning, but not enough.
And there's always the problem as you mentioned of "throwing away my vote." I'd MUCH rather see the messed-up GOP in power than the messed-up Democrats. I won't take a vote away from the GOP, unless there's a Democratic candidate who I specifically think would be better than the Republican one.
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