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Old 11-19-2008, 06:24 AM
 
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Folks, Obama more or less takes the backseat at this point. The Democratic Party is at the reigns when it comes to administration building. Sure, Obama gets a pick or two, but for the most his party decides for him. Read the fine print, he said that he was a change from Bush, not that his administration would be a change from the norm.
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Old 11-19-2008, 09:50 AM
 
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Folks, Obama more or less takes the backseat at this point. The Democratic Party is at the reigns when it comes to administration building. Sure, Obama gets a pick or two, but for the most his party decides for him. Read the fine print, he said that he was a change from Bush, not that his administration would be a change from the norm.

Parsing really fun isn't it? Except when it involves 300 million lives.
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Old 11-19-2008, 09:57 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Regardless of whether you supported him or not, everyone can agree that Pres-elect Obama won his election by appealing to the voters to approve of his message of "change" in DC.

Now that he has named his transition team, his Chief of Staff, his choice for Attorney General, and his possible picks for Sec of State, how can Mr Obama still claim the mantle of change? His new administration and his team of advisors looks like a roll call of the Bill Clinton administration. Where is the change?

The new administration is beginning to look like a reheated version of the Clinton years. Is this what the voters wanted when they voted for "change?"
You're assuming that change implies that every appointee is someone not associated with any previous administration? I would see this is taking Obama's change message to its literal extreme which means that no matter what he does, you aim to find fault.
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Old 11-19-2008, 12:21 PM
 
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You're assuming that change implies that every appointee is someone not associated with any previous administration? I would see this is taking Obama's change message to its literal extreme which means that no matter what he does, you aim to find fault.
I agree..When Obama speaks of change, more than anything he intends to move away from the Bush administration crap. The change is that he is appointting talented poeple with experience not an entire administration of croonies, horse show judges and college drinking buddies.
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Old 11-19-2008, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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You're assuming that change implies that every appointee is someone not associated with any previous administration? I would see this is taking Obama's change message to its literal extreme which means that no matter what he does, you aim to find fault.
Yeah, how stupid of me to take him at his word...that when he says he wants "change in Washington" that what he really means is that he wants to simply change to the third Clinton term. I mean come on, you accuse me of finding fault with him, but I think some people can never find any fault with him, even if it's staring them in the face.

Yes, I did assume the word "change" meant change, not doing the same things with different people, who are the same old people. Stupid me.
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Old 11-19-2008, 05:04 PM
 
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Yeah, how stupid of me
Pretty much sums it up.


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Yes, I did assume the word "change" meant change, not doing the same things with different people, who are the same old people.
You know that old expression about ASS-U-ME? Did you take the time to look at who his key policy advisors were? Did you notice how many former Clinton insiders back Obama early in the process? So are they Clinton people or are they folks who served in the Clinton administration and bought in early on the Obama program? Or more importantly, you assume that there are thousands of people roaming the streets who have policy experience and expertise?

Its been 8 years since any Democrats had an opportunity to work at the top level of the US government, would you prefer that Obama looked for folks who served under Carter?


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Stupid me.
You said it, I didn't.
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Old 11-19-2008, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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I'll ask this question once again; should Obama be culling the local horse association or the nearest bible college when it comes to looking for qualified individuals to run the government?

Perhaps, Obama should put up an ad on Craigslist,

WANTED; Cabinet members, no experience required, or desired for that matter.
You're saying that there's not enough people that A. didn't work in the Clinton administration and B. have enough experience for the various jobs being filled? It's been a decade! NOBODY has come on the scene in that time who could do those jobs? Come on.
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Old 11-19-2008, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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Pretty much sums it up.




You know that old expression about ASS-U-ME? Did you take the time to look at who his key policy advisors were? Did you notice how many former Clinton insiders back Obama early in the process? So are they Clinton people or are they folks who served in the Clinton administration and bought in early on the Obama program? Or more importantly, you assume that there are thousands of people roaming the streets who have policy experience and expertise?

Its been 8 years since any Democrats had an opportunity to work at the top level of the US government, would you prefer that Obama looked for folks who served under Carter?




You said it, I didn't.

Hey...have you heard of sarcasm? I'd call you a moron, but I don't want to insult morons.
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Old 11-19-2008, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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BTW...looks like another Democrat, Washington insider, retread is being added to cabinet. Welcome Tom Daschle to the administration of change.

YES WE CAN....
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Old 11-19-2008, 05:21 PM
 
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Right and if he appointed people no one knew and without experience you guys would be calling him Jimmy Carter even more than you already do. He s a dem, the Clinton admin was the last dem president --before that it was years of republicans...Do you think any of us that voted for him and his change thought for a minute he wouldnt be working wth people from the Clinton admin? Uh I would be upset if he wasnt, we knew he would and almost expect him to on some level. Kudos to Obama for surrounding hmself with people who know how to make things work well. Clinton years were good, no one can deny these past 8 years have been utter hell compared.
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