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Old 11-21-2008, 09:03 AM
 
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All you have to do is work in a union environment. Coffee time from 7 a.m.- 11 a.m. and then lunch starts. Shortly after lunch is cigarette time after the 30 minute bathroom break. When the worker is questioned about their work ethics the meeting ends with a pay raise. When the company tries to implement robotics to replace the lazy eye glazed union workers a deal is negotiated for them to continue to get paid to sit around and look busy. (http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0510/17/A01-351179.htm - broken link)

Now if we could just get the rest of the world in on the effective means to bring down the most powerful of corporations by means of the extremely greedy. So greedy in fact it resembles something like King Midas.
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Old 11-21-2008, 09:07 AM
 
Location: T or C New Mexico
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This is why American Motors went belly up. what with whiskey bars across the street from the car maker in kenosha, it's a wonder anything was ever built. someday, if I can remember the story of the three automaker dogs, coffee break, lunch time, and sliderule, I'll post it.
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All you have to do is work in a union environment. Coffee time from 7 a.m.- 11 am and then lunch starts. Shortly after lunch is cigarette time after the 30 minute bathroom break. When the worker is questioned about their work ethics the meeting ends with a pay raise. When the company tries to implement robotics to replace the lazy eye glazed union workers a deal is negotiated for them to continue to get paid to sit around and look busy. (http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0510/17/A01-351179.htm - broken link)
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Old 11-21-2008, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Angry Bailouts, corruption, corporate greed...when will it end?

It started twenty years ago when CEOs in concert with the neocon policymakers they own decided to strip all of America's manufacturing and send it to China. That huge pool of slave-wage labor was irresistable to them.

It will end when the CEO class has sucked the last ounce of blood from the American economy.

Corporate greed coupled with neocon economic dogma have reduced America to a huge yard sale, and they're the owners. They get the profits. You and I get to pay for the bail-outs.

Socialism for the wealthy, capitalism for the rest of us.
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Old 11-21-2008, 09:33 AM
 
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Default The brain power of unions

By making it so expensive to keep paying idled workers, the UAW thought Detroit automakers would avoid layoffs. By discouraging layoffs, the union thought it could prevent outsourcing.

Jobs bank programs -- 12,000 paid not to work - 10/17/05 (http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0510/17/A01-351179.htm - broken link)


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Old 11-22-2008, 06:57 AM
 
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It started twenty years ago when CEOs in concert with the neocon policymakers they own decided to strip all of America's manufacturing and send it to China. That huge pool of slave-wage labor was irresistable to them.

It will end when the CEO class has sucked the last ounce of blood from the American economy.

Corporate greed coupled with neocon economic dogma have reduced America to a huge yard sale, and they're the owners. They get the profits. You and I get to pay for the bail-outs.

Socialism for the wealthy, capitalism for the rest of us.
They have even brainwashed people to think that unions are to blame. Without unions we would never have had a middle class. The Neocon corporatists would still be using child labor here if they could. Now they use it in other countries. The enemy to corporate America is collective bargaining.
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Old 11-22-2008, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Florida
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When each and every person eliminates greed and self-interest from their own lives.
That's when it will end.
Politicians, CEOs,union workers.....they're all 'you and me' with different jobs.
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Old 11-22-2008, 10:34 AM
 
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They have even brainwashed people to think that unions are to blame. Without unions we would never have had a middle class. The Neocon corporatists would still be using child labor here if they could. Now they use it in other countries. The enemy to corporate America is collective bargaining.
At one point they were useful now they have become a parasite and labor laws along with competition people and corporations now understand they have to pay for good help.

You pay someone $7/hr you get a $7/hr employee. You can't expect them to design computer programs and the people who you can expect to do that will be weighing salary in. Unions should have left when the mfg jobs left. $70/hr for the average UAW employees to benefits retirement package. How can anyone compete with free market with a ball and chain that big.
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Old 11-22-2008, 11:04 AM
 
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At one point they were useful now they have become a parasite and labor laws along with competition people and corporations now understand they have to pay for good help.

You pay someone $7/hr you get a $7/hr employee. You can't expect them to design computer programs and the people who you can expect to do that will be weighing salary in. Unions should have left when the mfg jobs left. $70/hr for the average UAW employees to benefits retirement package. How can anyone compete with free market with a ball and chain that big.
If unions are flawed then it is an issue to be addressed, but you cannot have people working without bargaining power. That would be a wet dream for corporate America.
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Old 11-22-2008, 11:14 AM
 
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What makes you think employees that have worked hard have no bargaining power? If you want the best you pay for them. It doesn't matter what a wet dream corporations have they aren't viable in an economy where unions strong arming tactics can be used. You see it time and time again.... In a market where your competitors pay competitive salaries and you are forced to pay salaries twice as high because of the greed of unions then you are setting yourself up for failure. You can't lower the cost of your product and you can't increase funding to make that product better. You're stuck in purgatory.
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Old 11-22-2008, 11:50 AM
 
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Look at the business and worth ethics of most corporations. The ones that have outsourced really do not give a damn what the working conditions are like for the workers. This just goes to show the inhumanity of caring about the bottom line only mindset. Not every worker is educated to be in such great demand. They are diposable to these corporations. Blaming unions for what is happening with the Bailouts concerning the auto industry is just propaganda put out by the right wing.

Think Progress » Conservative Politicians Misleadingly Blame Labor Unions For Detroit’s Woes

"Every organization that involves groups of people has down sides but unions have helped their members and nonmembers by demanding certain benefits for their members. Over the years unions’ demands have helped to make major, lasting, improvements in labor laws and labor relations. These changes have led Congress to pass certain Acts for the benefit of all working people. In the past violence, strikes, and walk-outs were employed to force the make employers aware of the seriousness of laborers, regarding their demands, but today that is no longer the norm, as unions have found other ways to be heard."


Even Chinese workers have labor unions.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/13/business/worldbusiness/13sweat.htm?_r=1 (broken link)

With all of the greed that has been displayed by large corporations over the past years, there has to be some type of regulations and the labor unions are the only ones that can provide that.
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