U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 11-21-2008, 03:22 AM
 
14,248 posts, read 15,079,510 times
Reputation: 8293

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nietzschean Gangsta View Post
This is nonsense. Commando style tactics and militarism are not the answer to Somalia's piracy problem. The answer is simple; they need a coast guard. But in order to have one Somalia has to be a sovereign nation, but they aren't. How come? Because of the US. Don't believe me? Check it out for yourself.

What you will find is that the Somali piracy problem was created by the US selfishly following its own interests without any care whatsoever for the Somali people. Go ahead research it for yourself and you will see. I dare you--I double dare you, research the Somali piracy problem, and you'll come to a stunning conclusion.
GREAT POST.

Somehow I just knew the US was the great Satan in all of this piracy business. It never fails.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 11-21-2008, 05:37 AM
 
12,870 posts, read 13,108,199 times
Reputation: 4453
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nietzschean Gangsta View Post
This is nonsense. Commando style tactics and militarism are not the answer to Somalia's piracy problem. The answer is simple; they need a coast guard. But in order to have one Somalia has to be a sovereign nation, but they aren't. How come? Because of the US. Don't believe me? Check it out for yourself.

What you will find is that the Somali piracy problem was created by the US selfishly following its own interests without any care whatsoever for the Somali people. Go ahead research it for yourself and you will see. I dare you--I double dare you, research the Somali piracy problem, and you'll come to a stunning conclusion.
here is the conclusion:
Tens of millions of dollars extorted from ship owners by Somali pirates are immune from interception and seizure because they are pouring into the economy of a nation with no effective government or policing.

International crime gangs normally have to "launder" their proceeds through the financial system to make them appear like legitimate funds, thereby creating a money trail that can make them vulnerable to detection.

But financial experts say this is not the case in Somalia, an archetypal "failed state" which has no strong central authority, no formal banking system, and has known nothing but civil war for nearly two decades.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-22-2008, 05:18 PM
JL
 
7,348 posts, read 11,845,368 times
Reputation: 7195
what they need to do is bomb the somali coast where these pirates are based or leaving from. there is no way you can patrol the vast area of waters around there. the only other solution is that each ship have armed soldiers/security, etc. i heard Blackwater Security is trying to secure contracts to become armed security of these tankers, ships, etc.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-22-2008, 05:56 PM
 
Location: North Las Vegas
1,105 posts, read 1,374,491 times
Reputation: 894
Forget with messing around trying to find the ships on the sea, or having defense forces on each ships. Just go in and take the port they have been operating from. I think most if not all of these ships are being taken back to the same port. Invade, take the port and the town, turn it into an international free trade zone, and let the U.N. do some military work. Pirates can't take ships if they can't launch ships.

This is most definitely a case of the solution to the problem is superior firepower.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-22-2008, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Pa
20,310 posts, read 19,415,285 times
Reputation: 6523
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nietzschean Gangsta View Post
This is nonsense. Commando style tactics and militarism are not the answer to Somalia's piracy problem. The answer is simple; they need a coast guard. But in order to have one Somalia has to be a sovereign nation, but they aren't. How come? Because of the US. Don't believe me? Check it out for yourself.

What you will find is that the Somali piracy problem was created by the US selfishly following its own interests without any care whatsoever for the Somali people. Go ahead research it for yourself and you will see. I dare you--I double dare you, research the Somali piracy problem, and you'll come to a stunning conclusion.
I read the aljazeer article which of course is completely unbiased. I saw alot about european dumping etc. But how did the US fit into that?
Pirates kidnapping, killing and pirating in the name of toxic waste cleanup LOL. Yes I believe every word of it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-24-2008, 04:55 PM
 
66 posts, read 74,237 times
Reputation: 26
If it was easy it would already be fixed. The priates threaten to shoot an RPG at the ship. 100M in oil spilling into the sea.

There are international laws protecting the pirates and sovereign water issues to deal with it's massively complex. The pirates in the straights of Malaca have attacked US Navy warships, it is not at all as simple as mounting 50 cal's on merhcant ships. The crews are not trained to get in gun fights with somali pirates, having 50 cals on your ship prevents you from enterig some ports, what happens when the pirates start firing RPG's at your oil tanker?

The area in question is 4 times the size of the state of texas, and contains thousands of ships, think about the effort required to patrol that vast an area and then be handcuffed by international law even when you get there.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-24-2008, 05:03 PM
 
66 posts, read 74,237 times
Reputation: 26
This area of the world is amazingly poor, killing a few pirates will not disuade others from participating in the most lucrative career available to them. The suggestion that a few dead bodies will stop it is akin to saying a few arrests/murders will stop people from selling drugs. Anyone suggesting using airpower to fire on pirate ships is just silly. You can't wantonly attack boats you haven't searched/caught in the act. We'll be getting charged with warcrimes.

The only "real" solution is to get somalia back on it's feet so they can fund a coast guard. In the short term, decoy boats, enhanced patrolling by multiple nations, will all help but they won't eradicate the problem. Lets not forget that all that extra patrolling costs more money than pirates have earned in ransoms. It has to come from someones pocket.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-16-2009, 03:03 PM
 
Location: North San Diego County
76 posts, read 144,882 times
Reputation: 32
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nietzschean Gangsta View Post
This is nonsense. Commando style tactics and militarism are not the answer to Somalia's piracy problem. The answer is simple; they need a coast guard. But in order to have one Somalia has to be a sovereign nation, but they aren't. How come? Because of the US. Don't believe me? Check it out for yourself.

What you will find is that the Somali piracy problem was created by the US selfishly following its own interests without any care whatsoever for the Somali people. Go ahead research it for yourself and you will see. I dare you--I double dare you, research the Somali piracy problem, and you'll come to a stunning conclusion.
One of the US Navy's Mission is to protect the Sea Lanes
Somali Pirates are little $hitstains that need to be dealt with
swiftly & very harsh! Somalia is a dirthole that funds & harbors
terrorists. This is my favorite Easter Card;

http://f308.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=1%5f2027004%5fAJPIjkQAAUjPSea3gQkEwQ0 QC7Y&pid=1.2&fid=Inbox&inline=1 (broken link)

" We don't Negotiate with Terrorists!" Ronald Reagan
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-16-2009, 03:10 PM
 
19,216 posts, read 12,939,918 times
Reputation: 2337
Quote:
Originally Posted by azbo View Post
If it was easy it would already be fixed. The priates threaten to shoot an RPG at the ship. 100M in oil spilling into the sea.

There are international laws protecting the pirates and sovereign water issues to deal with it's massively complex. The pirates in the straights of Malaca have attacked US Navy warships, it is not at all as simple as mounting 50 cal's on merhcant ships. The crews are not trained to get in gun fights with somali pirates, having 50 cals on your ship prevents you from enterig some ports, what happens when the pirates start firing RPG's at your oil tanker?

The area in question is 4 times the size of the state of texas, and contains thousands of ships, think about the effort required to patrol that vast an area and then be handcuffed by international law even when you get there.
Forget the U.S. Navy.

The merchants' can stick with private enterprise.

Blackwater is (was) in the phone book. What's their new name?

Got their number?

Screw it - call me.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-16-2009, 03:14 PM
 
10,543 posts, read 11,983,230 times
Reputation: 2798
Over 30,000 ships pass through that area per year. My guess is that the companies would rather take a chance and pay the ransom than pay to arm each of those ships - particularly if the US Navy will come help.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top