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Old 11-23-2008, 01:45 PM
 
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'Examples'? Sure.

Mark Foley
U.S. Representative
(September 28, 2006)
The Crime: Sending sexually laced, gramatically challenged instant messages and e-mails to teenaged boys in the Congressional page program for more than 10 years.
The Hypocrisy: Chairman of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children. One of the foremost opponents of child pornography in the Senate.
The Quote: “get a ruler and measure it for me”


Ted Haggard
Leader of the National Association of Evangelicals
(November 2006)
The Crime: Paying male prostitutes for sex and snorting crystal meth.
The Hypocrisy: A powerful force in the evangelical movement, Haggard participated in weekly meetings with President George Bush and top advisors where he gave spiritual advice. He taught that homosexuality was an abomination and actively lobbied against gay rights.
The Quote: “I did not have a homosexual relationship with a man in Denver.”

Larry Craig
U.S. Senator
Senate Liason for Mitt Romney’s Presidential Campaign
(June 11, 2007)
The Crime: Soliciting sex from an undercover cop in an airport bathroom
The Hypocrisy: Craig twice voted against adding the words “sexual orientation” to the federal hate crimes law. Craig also voted to give states the right to refuse to recognize gay marriage–a right they already had, but the Senator wanted to really, really prove he didn’t like gay people.
The Quote: “I am not gay, I don’t do these kinds of things.”

Bob Allen
Member of the Florida House of Representatives
Florida Chairman of John McCain’s Presidential Campaign
(July 11, 2007)
The Crime: Offering an undercover cop $20 to allow Allen to blow him in a men’s room in a public park. After being arrested, Allen tried to explain that he only offered to blow the cop because the cop was a “burly black man” and he “didn’t want to become a statistic.”
The Hypocrisy: Allen was one of 21 Florida legislators to sign Gov. Jeb Bush’s friend-of-the-court brief supporting the state’s ban on gays adopting children, and he co-sponsored an unsuccessful bill that would have enhanced penalties for “offenses involving unnatural and lascivious acts” such as indecent exposure.
The Quote: “I certainly wasn’t there to have sex with anybody and certainly wasn’t there to exchange money for it.”

Glenn Murphy Jr.
National Chairman of the Young Republicans
Chairman of the Clark County Republican Party
(July 28, 2007)
The Crime: Murphy got a fellow Young Republican drunk and then spent the night at his house. The other young man woke up in the middle of the night to find Murphy giving him mouth-to-penis resuscitation. After this incident, a 1998 sexual battery report came to light in which Murphy was alleged to have done the exact same thing.
The Hypocrisy: Murphy was a well-paid political consultant for Republican candidates and often advised them to use gay marriage as a wedge issue to paint their opponents as out of touch with traditional values.
The Quote: “I was in the Sound of Music in High School…don’t ask” (from his now-defunct Myspace page.)
Well Kramercat what could a name like that imply? Never mind. Ok so if this data you present is true where did you get the dirt? If I was a betting man I bet these homosexuals were just waiting to tempt and bait these people for political reasons.

 
Old 11-23-2008, 05:36 PM
 
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Not sure why some find this so hard to believe, but yes, the most vehement of homophobic individuals I've too have met wound up being gay somewhere down the line. Where I went to middle and high school, pretty much everyone was opposed to homosexuality, but most didn't talk about it much. It was just a given that (most) everyone agreed and they tried to stay away from the subject. Yet, some felt the need to talk about their opposition to homosexuality constantly. They sought other students who seemed effeminate or otherwise ***** to them and they made fun of them mercilessly. I honestly didn't think it was the case then, but when I started running into these people after we'd gone off to college and they had partners, I realized that it's quite often true what they say--the homophobes who make the most noise are often gay. A lot of people don't think homosexuality is moral or natural but really only talk about it if you insist because it isn't really a part of their lives. Those who are preoccupied with it are hiding something, from what I've seen. (Of course I've seen exceptions to that, too).
 
Old 11-23-2008, 05:51 PM
 
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And your opinion makes that a fact?
Actually, there was a small study in the 90s that found this to be true, but it certainly wasn't conclusive.

Here's a summary of it, if you're curious:

Lesbian/Gay/Bisexual/Transgender: Is Homophobia Associated With Homosexual Arousal? (http://www.selfhelpmagazine.com/articles/glb/glbtphobia.html - broken link)

I think some gay-haters may really be fighting the "demons" in their own minds, and that's why they're anti-gay; others are just anti-gay, period.

Whatever. Even though I think it's irrational, I actually don't really care if someone doesn't like gays. I might think that gay-haters are stupid, but I can't control them, obviously. What most disturbs me is violence against gays, as well as violence against anybody for simply being who he or she is.
 
Old 11-23-2008, 09:31 PM
 
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Not sure why some find this so hard to believe, but yes, the most vehement of homophobic individuals I've too have met wound up being gay somewhere down the line. Where I went to middle and high school, pretty much everyone was opposed to homosexuality, but most didn't talk about it much. It was just a given that (most) everyone agreed and they tried to stay away from the subject. Yet, some felt the need to talk about their opposition to homosexuality constantly. They sought other students who seemed effeminate or otherwise ***** to them and they made fun of them mercilessly. I honestly didn't think it was the case then, but when I started running into these people after we'd gone off to college and they had partners, I realized that it's quite often true what they say--the homophobes who make the most noise are often gay. A lot of people don't think homosexuality is moral or natural but really only talk about it if you insist because it isn't really a part of their lives. Those who are preoccupied with it are hiding something, from what I've seen. (Of course I've seen exceptions to that, too).
So does that mean the homosexuals that come out in numbers to bash straight people or are militant about their stance could have straight tendencies! Gasp! they might turn straight and the gay men be attracted to women how shocking! To tell you the truth I don't worry much or think much about homosexuals until I get into these forums and hear all the crap on TV about them getting married. That is when I get upset along with millions of others. It is not like we enjoy talking about homosexuals but it is necessary that we take action to protect the marriage between a man and a woman among many other issues that are at stake. But to try to use this reverse psychology that people who speak up against homosexuals and what they are trying to do being quee_ is stupid and childish. Sorry but scare tactics like that will not work.
 
Old 11-23-2008, 09:36 PM
 
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Actually, there was a small study in the 90s that found this to be true, but it certainly wasn't conclusive.

Here's a summary of it, if you're curious:

Lesbian/Gay/Bisexual/Transgender: Is Homophobia Associated With Homosexual Arousal? (http://www.selfhelpmagazine.com/articles/glb/glbtphobia.html - broken link)

I think some gay-haters may really be fighting the "demons" in their own minds, and that's why they're anti-gay; others are just anti-gay, period.


Whatever. Even though I think it's irrational, I actually don't really care if someone doesn't like gays. I might think that gay-haters are stupid, but I can't control them, obviously. What most disturbs me is violence against gays, as well as violence against anybody for simply being who he or she is.
I agree with your comment that "some" gay-haters are fighting their own demons. Some.

And while I don't know what percentage it runs, I'd bet that it's not the 100% claim that the OP of this thread baited people with.
 
Old 11-23-2008, 09:37 PM
 
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So does that mean the homosexuals that come out in numbers to bash straight people or are militant about their stance could have straight tendencies! Gasp! they might turn straight and the gay men be attracted to women how shocking! To tell you the truth I don't worry much or think much about homosexuals until I get into these forums and hear all the crap on TV about them getting married. That is when I get upset along with millions of others. It is not like we enjoy talking about homosexuals but it is necessary that we take action to protect the marriage between a man and a woman among many other issues that are at stake. But to try to use this reverse psychology that people who speak up against homosexuals and what they are trying to do being quee_ is stupid and childish. Sorry but scare tactics like that will not work.
Good point.
Turn about is fair play, right?



And so it's logical to assume, isn't it, that the gays who openly bash and trash on Christians are - secretly - Christians themselves?
 
Old 11-23-2008, 10:04 PM
 
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So does that mean the homosexuals that come out in numbers to bash straight people or are militant about their stance could have straight tendencies! Gasp!
While I've yet to witness wholesale bashing of heterosexuality, I do think that some of the more heterophobic people I've met were afraid to admit to any attraction to the opposite sex they might have had. They seemed to be scared of the idea, so it does work both ways. I can't stand all that from both sides, but you see more homophobia, since, needless to say, it's much more difficult to be gay and people tend not to like to be hated and all.

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To tell you the truth I don't worry much or think much about homosexuals until I get into these forums and hear all the crap on TV about them getting married. That is when I get upset along with millions of others. It is not like we enjoy talking about homosexuals but it is necessary that we take action to protect the marriage between a man and a woman among many other issues that are at stake.
Not sure what's at stake. If you get married, it's on you to be faithful. If you're not faithful to your spouse, it certainly isn't some gay person's fault...particulalrly one you've never met!

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But to try to use this reverse psychology that people who speak up against homosexuals and what they are trying to do being quee_ is stupid and childish. Sorry but scare tactics like that will not work.
I'm not using reverse psychology. I was posting about my experiences with people, which have been confirmed by others who have experienced the same. But the fact that you think I'm trying to use scare tactics is a little disquieting. I'm simply telling how it was for a lot of the people I knew when I was younger and have run into periodically. What are you trying so hard not to allow someone to scare you about? A little paranoid, I guess?
 
Old 11-23-2008, 10:06 PM
 
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And so it's logical to assume, isn't it, that the gays who openly bash and trash on Christians are - secretly - Christians themselves?
Religion is a choice.
 
Old 11-23-2008, 10:08 PM
 
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Religion is a choice.
Oh, so then you're admitting that you willfully and intentionally operate with multiple double standards. The rules that you apply to others don't apply to you.

Can you understand why it's hard to take that type of mentality seriously?
 
Old 11-23-2008, 10:09 PM
 
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Oh, so then you're admitting that you willfully and intentionally operate with multiple double standards. The rules that you apply to others don't apply to you.

Can you understand why it's hard to take that type of mentality seriously?
I'm going to need you to explain what the double standard(s) is exactly.
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