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Old 11-25-2008, 04:17 AM
 
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While Republicans like Rep. Tom Price from Georgia are already taking pot shots at Democratic universal health proposals by calling them “Hillarycare on steroids,” they are offering no viable solutions for covering nearly 50 million uninsured Americans.

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Old 11-25-2008, 04:26 AM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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While Republicans like Rep. Tom Price from Georgia are already taking pot shots at Democratic universal health proposals by calling them “Hillarycare on steroids,” they are offering no viable solutions for covering nearly 50 million uninsured Americans.

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They never have offered solutions,why start now ?
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Old 11-25-2008, 06:06 AM
 
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On the other hand, having no solutions to offer is better than some of the stuff that they've recently come up with. Go sit in tne corner and shut up! is a perfectly fine role for them to play at this point, I think...
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Old 11-25-2008, 06:16 AM
 
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And what are all the great solutions to healthcare the Democrats have offered?


By the way, do you all REALLY think that turning American healthcare into a giant VA Hospital is the way to go?

I'll admit that I don't know what the solutions are, and that American healthcare is out of balance right now, but let's stop being stupid about it.

Also, people like the author of the OP link need to start being HONEST and talk about 50 million Americans without PRIVATE health insurance. Of those 50 million, I'd venture a guess that the vast majority are on MA, etc. - so they really DO have health care coverage. It's just that they're not paying for it.
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Old 11-25-2008, 06:26 AM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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I agree. I wish the Republicans would sound out a way to tweak the system if they don't want UHC. But then, as one conservative friend said to me the other day...."I'm not convinced there is a health care crisis anyway" Thoughts like this might be why they aren't offering much.
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Old 11-25-2008, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The crisis is not the availability of health care, the problem is paying for the healthcare.

Some of the excessive cost of health care can be traced to monopoly profits of the drug industry, fraudulent insurance and monopolist hospital corporations. I suggest that UHC be accompanied by breaking up the monopolistic aspects of insurance, hospital ownership and drug companies. After all it is an axiom that the best services are provided by a diversified multi member competitive free market. This also applies to health care but has been studiously erased in order to increase private profit at the expense of the patients.
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Old 11-25-2008, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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While Republicans like Rep. Tom Price from Georgia are already taking pot shots at Democratic universal health proposals by calling them “Hillarycare on steroids,” they are offering no viable solutions for covering nearly 50 million uninsured Americans.

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That's because it's never going to happen that way. It's simple, you have a bunch of people already paying way too much for their insurance (way more than they like) and the you have a bunch of people that can't afford it (including me). The only way it's going to happen is if the people that are already unhappy with what they're paying also pay for the people that can't afford it.....and that's not going to happen.

The real problem that neither party talks about because the lobbyists make sure they don't, is the price of healthcare and drugs. There's no reason an outpatient hernia operation should cost $20,000 even $30,000. The doctor deserves his fair share but, the rest is the hospital gouging everyone....they have no competition to speak of......you don't decide what hospital you're going to use....you don't know what they charge for anything. Drug companies are trying to make every drug a maintenance drug starting at $80/month because, you have a prescription card that's always paid for it (although who knows how much longer that can keep happening)....look at how high your co-pays have become on your card. The patent on a brand name drug seems to last forever before it goes generic as well.....first there was Allegra, then Allegra A, then B, then D....gettting the picture. Now there even trying to market Viagra as a maintenence drug that you take every day!
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Old 11-26-2008, 02:54 PM
 
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I agree. I wish the Republicans would sound out a way to tweak the system if they don't want UHC. But then, as one conservative friend said to me the other day...."I'm not convinced there is a health care crisis anyway" Thoughts like this might be why they aren't offering much.

There is no "health care crisis", just a way to pay for it. You people make it sound as if there are no Doctors out there.

It you want a UHC system so bad, go and spend a day or two at a VA hospital.

It may give you an idea of what you may get.

Leave the system alone and find away to fund it for those that can't afford it..

You may open up a big bag of worms if you aren't careful.
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Old 11-26-2008, 03:01 PM
 
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That's because it's never going to happen that way. It's simple, you have a bunch of people already paying way too much for their insurance (way more than they like) and the you have a bunch of people that can't afford it (including me). The only way it's going to happen is if the people that are already unhappy with what they're paying also pay for the people that can't afford it.....and that's not going to happen.

The real problem that neither party talks about because the lobbyists make sure they don't, is the price of healthcare and drugs. There's no reason an outpatient hernia operation should cost $20,000 even $30,000. The doctor deserves his fair share but, the rest is the hospital gouging everyone....they have no competition to speak of......you don't decide what hospital you're going to use....you don't know what they charge for anything. Drug companies are trying to make every drug a maintenance drug starting at $80/month because, you have a prescription card that's always paid for it (although who knows how much longer that can keep happening)....look at how high your co-pays have become on your card. The patent on a brand name drug seems to last forever before it goes generic as well.....first there was Allegra, then Allegra A, then B, then D....gettting the picture. Now there even trying to market Viagra as a maintenence drug that you take every day!
You really don't know to much about what all is involved in running a hospital do you?
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Old 11-26-2008, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Southeast
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Well how about we factor the unemployed and illegal population out of that 50 million uninsured Americans... Let's see, that brings us down to what... 150 individuals?

But on a serious note, the Democrats are attacking the issue from the wrong angle. The problem is not necessarily that there is a shortage of doctors, facilities, or quality healthcare (US healthcare quality ranks #1 on the planet), the problem is availability of said healthcare.

I know that Hillary and the Democrats would love to see the Illegal Immigrant population get free healthcare, but I don't feel that my tax dollars should go to someone who doesn't pay a dime into the system.

And of course, universal healthcare causes scrutiny such as; denying the obsese, smokers, drinkers, or folks with pre-existing conditions of their healthcare. If you can't take care of your own personal issues, they why should the rest of the country pay your medical bills?

But whatever, bring forth UHC, but I want the ability to opt out of the system.
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