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Old 11-27-2008, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Wheaton, Illinois
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Originally Posted by 66nexus View Post
maybe this is a troll thread I think what's really going on is that McCain supporters are having a tough time dealing with the loss...or something

I dunno, I think the average McCain supporter has WAY more sense than these screwballs. These jaspers are WAY 'round the bend and are more neo-Nazi than Republican.

 
Old 11-27-2008, 05:05 PM
 
Location: NC
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Don't take this that wrong way, but you sure are gullible. Their is nothing new that doesn't exist solely in the minds of the uninitiated. What we are seeing now is our new PE backpedaling on his campaign promises in predictable fashion. Why? Because the things he promised either cannot be delivered or have been tried in the past with terrible consequences. Don't feel bad, because a lot of other people got sucked in too. What our new PE did was make good use of the most effective sales pitch in history, that being "it's new and improved". He shortened it up by calling it "change", but it means exactly the same thing. The reason it is more effective that any other sales pitch by far is that it incorporates the potential customer's dissatisfaction with the current product (Bush) and ability to fantasize about how great things could be (Obama). In short, it utilizes self-deception because you want what is being said to be true so much that you suspend your higher brain functions.


YouTube - Sham Wow / Sham Scam - Boycott Watch exposes the truth.

Right now PE Obama is taking everything he promised off the table. "Look closely".
Um...for some reason you think I am gulible when you know nothing about my personal intrest or how I think. First I voted for Clinton in the primaries because, in addition to liking her ideas and track record better, I figured I knew where Clinton was lying, but I did not know where Obama would backpeddle. I operate under the assumtion that candidates will break their promises. That is just the way things work. As to why I voted for Obama simple I believe him to be compitant, capable and I trust he is more likely than McCain to appoint the right people to the supreme court and have the right policies on social issues. On the economy Republicans have failed and as such it is time to try something new. Expermentation, while not ideal, is necessary if things are not working and experimentation must be continued until things start working. (and just to address the obligatory socialism is not change comment Obama is not a socialist. I have lived in Britain the past 3 months and heard from plenty of socialist politicians...Obama is not socialist.) My problem with Republicans is that they currently embody things I dislike, such as corruption, incompitance, anti-environmentalism, and the Christian right. I trust this will help you understand why I voted the way I did. I guerentee you Republicans will not win elections if, instead of blaming their own incompitance and lack of ideas, they blame people who voted for the oposition. The fact of the matter is that for many Americans this election was not about "lolol change", race, gulible people, or any of the other minor things Republicans have made up to mask their own failures and avoid their need for personal introspection, but real issues. Until Republicans understand this and address the real reason they lost, they will continue to lose.

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Old 11-27-2008, 05:56 PM
 
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what in the hell??????????? why would democrats be racist towards whites is it because your president is Black(jeezy lol)????? You must have voted McCain '08 Only sore losers say things like that. Surely there are more white dems than black there are also some black republicans should we say they are uncle Toms? Why is there such hostility coming all of a sudens, next you going to say Obama the anit-christ
 
Old 11-27-2008, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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So much for intellectual honesty. Didn't make it past the second sentence. What you've been told all your life is that discrimination has long existed and that it ought to be ended. Looks like you don't agree with either one.

How is it that white people cause blacks to score lower on standardized tests? Why is it that blacks have to have points added to their cutting scores in order to edge out whites?

No, I don't think blacks are unable to compete with whites. I think blacks have been told they can't compete with whites through the subtle racism of affirmative action that everyone knows is still in place because blacks don't to as well as whites on objective tests.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The worst racist in the world are liberals. Constantly pushing this "help" on otherwise capable blacks makes them perform at a lower level, lack confidence and fail to try things they should. This becomes obvious when a black student applies him/her self and is mocked by other blacks for "acting white". Dr. Cosby pointed this out and was called an Uncle Tom for his frankness. He has learned what I've learned, you can't reason with liberals.

And just so you know, I mentor my sixteen year old niece by helping her with her homework, offering advice and guidance, providing her material educational needs (money, books, software, computers, etc.) and making sure she never forgets that females can do anything they choose to do. She understands too that she can do anything she sets her mind to and that the liberal mindset of self-pity and victimhood is poison to her self-confidence.
 
Old 11-27-2008, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Well, at least you avoided replying to the point. But just so I'm clear on this, are you saying that there is no inconsistency in claiming before the election that Obama was just an undefined puffball of change with no specific promises, plans, or policies, and then claiming after the election that Obama is somehow backpedaling on all those specific promises, plans, and policies that he made? How many legs do you see that argument standing on? I'm just estimating, but I'd see something a lot less than one....
I read what was on his web site before the election. I can't comment on what is there now because it keeps changing. Some really major things have been altered though. Iraq withdrawl, tax increases on the wealthy, telecom immunity, neutral content, normalized relations with Cuba, Marijuana decriminalization, Single-Jewish controlled Jerusalem, WPT and offshore drilling are just some of the matters he has changed his positions on or is unclear about with respect to his present position. He almost seems uncertain of himself, as though looking for someone to tell him what to do. Meanwhile he simply drifts from one position to the next and each time with a little less conviction. It really reminds me of Carter. He came in with such confidence and forward looking drive. But after making one mistake after another the shine really wore off fast. In the end he blamed the American people. It would seem that Obama is a little smarter than that and is spiffing up his transition team with former Clinton and Bush people. At least he'll has someone to tell him what to do.
 
Old 11-27-2008, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Center of the universe
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Possibly and a shameful situation.
Why is it shameful?
 
Old 11-27-2008, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Ok. Riddle me this, all you conservatives out there.

If you are conservatives and not specifically "Christian Conservatives",
and if there are so many of you, why couldn't you guys find one who could manage to make it through the campaign to the ballot box against Obama?

If McCain had run his campaign like he made his concession speech, I would have had a difficult time in the voting booth. But I, and millions of Americans like me, were absolutely disgusted with the race-baiting and character assassination of Obama, trying to tie him to terrorism and socialism (which George W. is managing to accomplish very nicely on his own, thank you). He used Bush's Bastards who shot him out of the saddle in 2000 by spreading rumors that McCain had a black child and put them to work using the same tactics. I voted for John McCain in the 2000 primaries and would have voted for him had Bush not done him in.McCain 2000 was the man who gave the concession speech in 2008.

We were also offended that we could possibly be thought stupid enough to believe that Sarah Palin was smart enough to do anything other than breed, knowing that all she really had to do to accomplish that was show up at the right time.

i guess what I'm trying to say is, when are the conservatives going to run a conservative for office? I'd really love to see what one looks like.
 
Old 11-27-2008, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Originally Posted by momonkey View Post
How is it that white people cause blacks to score lower on standardized tests? Why is it that blacks have to have points added to their cutting scores in order to edge out whites?

No, I don't think blacks are unable to compete with whites. I think blacks have been told they can't compete with whites through the subtle racism of affirmative action that everyone knows is still in place because blacks don't to as well as whites on objective tests.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The worst racist in the world are liberals. Constantly pushing this "help" on otherwise capable blacks makes them perform at a lower level, lack confidence and fail to try things they should. This becomes obvious when a black student applies him/her self and is mocked by other blacks for "acting white". Dr. Cosby pointed this out and was called an Uncle Tom for his frankness. He has learned what I've learned, you can't reason with liberals.

And just so you know, I mentor my sixteen year old niece by helping her with her homework, offering advice and guidance, providing her material educational needs (money, books, software, computers, etc.) and making sure she never forgets that females can do anything they choose to do. She understands too that she can do anything she sets her mind to and that the liberal mindset of self-pity and victimhood is poison to her self-confidence.
I think your mommy needs her sheets back now. Maybe you can come play again tomorrow, OK?
 
Old 11-27-2008, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Um...for some reason you think I am gulible when you know nothing about my personal intrest or how I think. First I voted for Clinton in the primaries because, in addition to liking her ideas and track record better, I figured I knew where Clinton was lying, but I did not know where Obama would back peddle. I operate under the assumption that candidates will break their promises. That is just the way things work. As to why I voted for Obama simple I believe him to be competent, capable and I trust he is more likely than McCain to appoint the right people to the supreme court and have the right policies on social issues. On the economy Republicans have failed and as such it is time to try something new. Experimentation, while not ideal, is necessary if things are not working and experimentation must be continued until things start working. (and just to address the obligatory socialism is not change comment Obama is not a socialist. I have lived in Britain the past 3 months and heard from plenty of socialist politicians...Obama is not socialist.) My problem with Republicans is that they currently embody things I dislike, such as corruption, incompetence, anti-environmentalism, and the Christian right. I trust this will help you understand why I voted the way I did. I guarantee you Republicans will not win elections if, instead of blaming their own incompetence and lack of ideas, they blame people who voted for the opposition. The fact of the matter is that for many Americans this election was not about "lolol change", race, gulible people, or any of the other minor things Republicans have made up to mask their own failures and avoid their need for personal introspection, but real issues. Until Republicans understand this and address the real reason they lost, they will continue to lose.
First of all thank you for writing such a thoughtful response. It's really refreshing after getting so many mindless emotional rants in response to a thoughtful post.

Please don't take the gullible thing personally. I think anyone voting for Obama is gullible. I've been through this too many times to believe that a single person, and especially one who's a little new to DC, can really do much. I don't buy into the intelligence thing either. We've seen exceptions to this. Stephen Hawking and Albert Einstein come to mind, but these are the rare exceptions. I hear "he's so intelligent" and to me it's just marketing. They said the same thing about Sen. Clinton, but I'm not buying it.

"their own incompetence and lack of ideas"

Ideas are nice if you think that with all the smart people we have in Washington that someone is going to think of something that hasn't come to anyone else's mind. But that's not real. Carter tried the experimentation approach. He really screwed things up in a big way. And speaking of gulible, he thought he could negotiate with the Iranians. They told him to go jump in a lake. If he only would have installed a government in 1979 the Iran-Iraq war would have never taken place and 1.2 million people would have not died in it. Most likely the Russians would have stayed out of Afghanistan too thereby saving another two million lives provided Carter hadn't come off as such an appeaser. They never tried crap like that after Reagan came in or when Nixon was in office. They took those two very seriously. If Obama comes off as a weak president, it could be a long four years.

I believe there is one reason for Obama's backpedaling and that is the reality of the situations the nation faces dictates our policies irregardless of who is president. America is still in complete denial about the nature of the enemies we have who are determined to kill us and destroy our way of life. In the end, PC will be the death of us because we'll alway be looking for that common ground that we share with people who feel it their Islamic duty to kill those of us they cannot force to convert to Islam.

Don't worry about the Republicans, we'll be back in two years with a voting public just chompin' at the bit to vote for conservatives. The Obama, Reid and Pelosi team will assure a great election 2012,

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Old 11-27-2008, 08:47 PM
 
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i guess what I'm trying to say is, when are the conservatives going to run a conservative for office? I'd really love to see what one looks like.
I dunno, I'm kind of done with this "where are the real conservatives" stuff because I'm realizing it's garbage. Parties change. Lincoln fought the civil war and freed the slaves. That was the Republican party of that time, and those times have changed. The republican party of today is just different and kind of monsterous, that's just something that people need to come to terms with. So as of today, the "real" conservatives in my mind are whoever they decide to run, and moreso how that person decides to run.

McCain, I liked in 2000 as well. The problem is that the mass of the GOP wanted nothing to do with him and were busy using weird racism to win their way and shove Bush into office. The GOP machine chewed him up in the primary... so what happened in 2008?

He played ball with the Republican party from 2004 on. As a candidate he shifted completely, he became erratic because his advisers were telling him to do things he was uncomfortable with. And thus, he lost. He as a candidate is NOT compatible with what the "real" conservative party is today. I say that not because he lost, but because he looked lost during the campaign.

And you see the race baiting in the rest of this thread? That is the GOP machine of today. That is what "real" conservatives are right now. I hope for something better in time, but I guess we'll see in a couple election cycles.
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