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Originally Posted by cyrusjul
So did you read the links that I posted? What do you think? Will you (or one of your daughters or a son) be allowed to marry one of these 'cured' homosexuals? What if they turn out like the Beyond Ex-Gay founder and some of the other members there? What then? An unhappy marriage? A divorce? the 'cured' homosexual cheating with other homosexuals? Broken up families with children? What do you have to say then?
I think the first link was more of the usual pro-gay propoganda so the source isn't credible. Regarding the other link: Although I'm sadden to hear about the ex-founder's relapse, I know that God can provide deliverance from same-sex desires. Just because it did not work for this person does not mean that the program does not work period. We should not throw the baby out with the bathwater, as the saying goes. I know it isn't easy, but freedom from same-sex desires is possible with God.
Four pages, and still not one person has taken on the original post head-on? What an amazing show of cowardice on behalf of the social right-wingers on this forum who usually foam at the mouth at the slightest provocation. Let me ask you something. Do you think ex-NJ Governor Jim McGreevey's wife was happy to have her sham marriage destroyed after so many years? Do you think his children will enjoy the inevitable taunting that will arise from having a "gay daddy?" Why did he marry an opposite-sex partner and procreate to begin with? Most likely he just wanted to fit in to what society wanted him to be. I've known the feeling, considering I attempted suicide when I was a teenager for feeling like the only openly-gay male in my suburb. I've since come to learn that there is actually a massive (yet invisible) LGBT community here in Northeastern Pennsylvania, but even to this day at the age of twenty-two I have those nights where I wonder what life would be like if I could marry a beautiful woman (and have feelings for her) and bring three beautiful children into this world. I tear up thinking about that sometimes.
You realistically expect an estimated 10% of the global population to remain celibate their entire lives? What a sad, lonely life!
I think the first link was more of the usual pro-gay propoganda so the source isn't credible. Regarding the other link: Although I'm sadden to hear about the ex-founder's relapse, I know that God can provide deliverance from same-sex desires. Just because it did not work for this person does not mean that the program does not work period. We should not throw the baby out with the bathwater, as the saying goes. I know it isn't easy, but freedom from same-sex desires is possible with God.
Ok you don't want to read but compelling first link and that is fine. But please again answer these questions.
Will you, or one of your daughters or sons, be allowed to marry one of these 'cured' homosexuals? What if they turn out like the Beyond Ex-Gay founder and some of the other members there? What then? An unhappy marriage? A divorce? the 'cured' homosexual cheating with other homosexuals? Broken up families with children? What do you have to say then? Will you allow these types of 'arrange' marriages to happen in your family?
I think the first link was more of the usual pro-gay propoganda so the source isn't credible. Regarding the other link: Although I'm sadden to hear about the ex-founder's relapse, I know that God can provide deliverance from same-sex desires. Just because it did not work for this person does not mean that the program does not work period. We should not throw the baby out with the bathwater, as the saying goes. I know it isn't easy, but freedom from same-sex desires is possible with God.
People can "overcome" hetero desires as well. You have a misconception that your way is the right way.
If you got the idea from the bible, well don't forget that many things in the bible are outdated. Polygamy, incest, concubines... Even Jesus promoted slavery! Our society has overcome most of those oppressive and outdated teachings, but some biblically-based oppression still remains.
Oppression is wrong, even if the bible teaches it. <---- If that statement were false, Christians would still think slavery was OK.
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People can "overcome" hetero desires as well. You have a misconception that your way is the right way.
If you got the idea from the bible, well don't forget that many things in the bible are outdated. Polygamy, incest, concubines... Even Jesus promoted slavery! Our society has overcome most of those oppressive and outdated teachings, but some biblically-based oppression still remains.
Oppression is wrong, even if the bible teaches it. <---- If that statement were false, Christians would still think slavery was OK.
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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People can "overcome" hetero desires as well. You have a misconception that your way is the right way.
If you got the idea from the bible, well don't forget that many things in the bible are outdated. Polygamy, incest, concubines... Even Jesus promoted slavery! Our society has overcome most of those oppressive and outdated teachings, but some biblically-based oppression still remains.
Oppression is wrong, even if the bible teaches it. <---- If that statement were false, Christians would still think slavery was OK.
How is providing civil unions and other special rights to gays considered oppression.
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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Ok you don't want to read but compelling first link and that is fine. But please again answer these questions.
Will you, or one of your daughters or sons, be allowed to marry one of these 'cured' homosexuals? What if they turn out like the Beyond Ex-Gay founder and some of the other members there? What then? An unhappy marriage? A divorce? the 'cured' homosexual cheating with other homosexuals? Broken up families with children? What do you have to say then? Will you allow these types of 'arrange' marriages to happen in your family?
If I had any children, I'd want them to marry a Christian who genuinely loves them and who is a born again Christian. I do believe that God can cure someone from same-sex desires and if this is the case, then I'd support the marriage. By the way, I don't believe in arrange marriages by the way.
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Show me where in the U.S. Constitution where it says "Heterosexuals have the RIGHT to marriage." Show me. Right now. Do it.
Where did I say that the US Constitution stated that heterosexuals have the right to marriage?
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Let me ask you something. Do you think ex-NJ Governor Jim McGreevey's wife was happy to have her sham marriage destroyed after so many years? Do you think his children will enjoy the inevitable taunting that will arise from having a "gay daddy?" Why did he marry an opposite-sex partner and procreate to begin with? Most likely he just wanted to fit in to what society wanted him to be. I've known the feeling, considering I attempted suicide when I was a teenager for feeling like the only openly-gay male in my suburb. I've since come to learn that there is actually a massive (yet invisible) LGBT community here in Northeastern Pennsylvania, but even to this day at the age of twenty-two I have those nights where I wonder what life would be like if I could marry a beautiful woman (and have feelings for her) and bring three beautiful children into this world. I tear up thinking about that sometimes. 
