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This has nothing to do w/whether it's an addiction or not. No one ever said smoking wasn't an addiction. I agree, it is. If it wasn't then it wouldn't be so hard to quit. The point of the matter is, we're talking about being allowed to smoke in areas that still allow smoking & non-smokers being allowed to be in places that don't allow smoking. Why is it so hard for everyone to understand this?? Non-smokers keep bitching about smokers ruining their health......get this straight, if you are not frequenting bars that allow smoking, then what is going on here? If you ARE going into bars that you know damn well allow smoking, then who's at fault here??? I'm not sure why this argument is so difficult to understand.
Any business that is open to the public and not a private, membership-only club should be legally a non-smoking venue, IMHO, for the health, safety, and comfort of all members of the public who may visit..
The private clubs would then become the shootiing galleries for the addicts to go to for social interaction in an atmosphere where they can get a fix whenever they need one surrounded by sympathetic noses.
Any business that is open to the public and not a private, membership-only club should be legally a non-smoking venue, IMHO, for the health, safety, and comfort of all members of the public who may visit..
The private clubs would then become the shootiing galleries for the addicts to go to for social interaction in an atmosphere where they can get a fix whenever they need one surrounded by sympathetic noses.
Yeah, well if that's what you're looking for, then open up a club. Now you're just kind of being a judgemental jerk. IMHO a bar owner has his/her own right to decide whether to make an establishment smoking or non. What, are there not enough non-smoking bars to get your drink on for you?
Any business that is open to the public and not a private, membership-only club should be legally a non-smoking venue, IMHO, for the health, safety, and comfort of all members of the public who may visit..
The private clubs would then become the shootiing galleries for the addicts to go to for social interaction in an atmosphere where they can get a fix whenever they need one surrounded by sympathetic noses.
Hmm, EVERY bar I've ever been into has a BIG sign up that says "We reserve the RIGHT to refuse service to ANYONE". that can include rabid anti smoking folks that have our best interests and the "public good" at the tip of the spear.. I invite you to our local hangout ( The Running Iron) for a beer
Yeah, well if that's what you're looking for, then open up a club. Now you're just kind of being a judgemental jerk. IMHO a bar owner has his/her own right to decide whether to make an establishment smoking or non. What, are there not enough non-smoking bars to get your drink on for you?
There are legal stipulations which every business owner must follow. You must have access for the handicapped. If you own a restaurant, you cannot store meats unrefrigerated, You cannot store cleaning supplies with food. Warming ovens must be held at certain temperatures to insure bacteria do not grow on the cooked food. You have to have a three-compartment stainless steel sink to wash dishes and the mimnimum water temperature is specified. There are hundreds more regulations which must be followed if the business owner wishes to stay in business.
If you own a bar and serve someone who in suspected of being legally drunk, you may be liable. There are test cases now in the courts where bars have been sued for letting a patron leave drunk knowing he was intending to drive home.
You are very entitled to your opinion, but it may or may not fit the legalities of business ownership.
My opinion is still that the health, safety, and comfort of the general public comes first in licensing any business that is open to the public.
And yes, I am a judgemental jerk. You say that like it's a bad thing.
I would be happy if they just stop producing cigarettes.
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While they are at it they should stop producing automobiles and fast food. Both are just as bad for you.
Decongestants make my heart race, so they should stop producing those as well.
Oh, and I know a few folks who drink too much. No more alcohol either.
On the actual subject at hand, I think that the owner(s) of the establishment should have the option to decide whether they want to have a smoking or non-smoking restaurant, bar, or whatever. Customers can then decide which they choose to frequent. Problem solved.
Yeah, well if that's what you're looking for, then open up a club. Now you're just kind of being a judgemental jerk. IMHO a bar owner has his/her own right to decide whether to make an establishment smoking or non. What, are there not enough non-smoking bars to get your drink on for you?
I am an ex-smoker for nearly 20 years and a recovering alcoholic who has not had a drink in almost 23 years.
Most restaurants here have bars, and smoke drifts throughout the establishment if smoking is permitted, so I cannot go out to many places to eat.
I will be happy when there is no more smoking allowed in any building open to the public.
I am an ex-smoker for nearly 20 years and a recovering alcoholic who has not had a drink in almost 23 years.
Most restaurants here have bars, and smoke drifts throughout the establishment if smoking is permitted, so I cannot go out to many places to eat.
I will be happy when there is no more smoking allowed in any building open to the public.
So then you get YOUR way at the expense of others who may not feel the same way as you do. Why are their opinions any less valuable?
I'm not a smoker myself now, but I smoked for years. However, I am not opposed to owners of any establishment being able to set those parameters for themselves. The government should not have the ability to set those bans themselves. I'm sure that there are enough non-smokers and smokers to keep both in business and they, being the public, should be given the option to choose.
There are legal stipulations which every business owner must follow. You must have access for the handicapped. If you own a restaurant, you cannot store meats unrefrigerated, You cannot store cleaning supplies with food. Warming ovens must be held at certain temperatures to insure bacteria do not grow on the cooked food. You have to have a three-compartment stainless steel sink to wash dishes and the mimnimum water temperature is specified. There are hundreds more regulations which must be followed if the business owner wishes to stay in business.
If you own a bar and serve someone who in suspected of being legally drunk, you may be liable. There are test cases now in the courts where bars have been sued for letting a patron leave drunk knowing he was intending to drive home.
You are very entitled to your opinion, but it may or may not fit the legalities of business ownership.
My opinion is still that the health, safety, and comfort of the general public comes first in licensing any business that is open to the public.
And yes, I am a judgemental jerk. You say that like it's a bad thing.
Ain't opinions wonderful?
This still does not make sense. I'm quite aware of health regulations. However, as we are all aware & why we are arguing on this thread is that as of right now in many areas, smoking in bars is LEGAL.
I am an ex-smoker for nearly 20 years and a recovering alcoholic who has not had a drink in almost 23 years.
Most restaurants here have bars, and smoke drifts throughout the establishment if smoking is permitted, so I cannot go out to many places to eat.
I will be happy when there is no more smoking allowed in any building open to the public.
As I've said before, I don't care if a restaurant is non-smoking, that includes if there is a bar inside the restaurant. SURELY you have a plethora of other restaurant options that are non-smoking to choose from. Great you quit, however when I quit I assure you I will not be as judgemental as you have become. You seem to have forgotten that you once smoked....all those people you negatively label "addicts"? You were one & you were one of those people who stunk up the air spewing toxins into the air, like other non-smokers on here have said. So you're not that innocent are you?
As I've said before, I don't care if a restaurant is non-smoking, that includes if there is a bar inside the restaurant. SURELY you have a plethora of other restaurant options that are non-smoking to choose from. Great you quit, however when I quit I assure you I will not be as judgemental as you have become. You seem to have forgotten that you once smoked....all those people you negatively label "addicts"? You were one & you were one of those people who stunk up the air spewing toxins into the air, like other non-smokers on here have said. So you're not that innocent are you?
I quit. Come back when you do and we can revisit this subject again.
But don't wait too long. I'm probably a good bit older than you and all those yars of second-hand smoke may take their toll on me if it takes you as long to quit as it did me.
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. I invite you to our local hangout ( The Running Iron) for a beer 
