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Old 12-26-2008, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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This still does not make sense. I'm quite aware of health regulations. However, as we are all aware & why we are arguing on this thread is that as of right now in many areas, smoking in bars is LEGAL.
Making all public buildings smoke-free would be a public health regulation.

I hope it comes soon.
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Old 12-26-2008, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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This still does not make sense. I'm quite aware of health regulations. However, as we are all aware & why we are arguing on this thread is that as of right now in many areas, smoking in bars is LEGAL.
It's not legal in Washington, and we're a much healthier state for it. We got sick and tired of a bunch of weak willed individuals who care nothing for their own health or that of others, soiling the air with their dirty cancer causing habit.

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On December 8, 2005, Washington became the 5th state to implement a comprehensive statewide law prohibiting smoking in all indoor public places and workplaces including restaurants, bars, taverns, bowling alleys, skating rinks, and non-tribal casinos. All Washington residents have the right to breathe clean air. The comprehensive smoking law protects families, children, workers, and the elderly from secondhand smoke.
Tobacco Program Secondhand Smoke Page - WA State Dept. of Health (http://www.doh.wa.gov/tobacco/secondhand/secondhand.htm - broken link)
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Old 12-26-2008, 01:40 PM
 
Location: um....guess
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It's not legal in Washington, and we're a much healthier state for it. We got sick and tired of a bunch of weak willed individuals who care nothing for their own health or that of others, soiling the air with their dirty cancer causing habit.

Tobacco Program Secondhand Smoke Page - WA State Dept. of Health (http://www.doh.wa.gov/tobacco/secondhand/secondhand.htm - broken link)
Good for you guys, truly. Everyone has some sort of addiction, because smoking isn't one of yours doesn't give you or anyone else the right to judge how I am as an individual. It makes you look like an ******* if anything.
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Old 12-26-2008, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Florida
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There are legal stipulations which every business owner must follow. You must have access for the handicapped. If you own a restaurant, you cannot store meats unrefrigerated, You cannot store cleaning supplies with food. Warming ovens must be held at certain temperatures to insure bacteria do not grow on the cooked food. You have to have a three-compartment stainless steel sink to wash dishes and the mimnimum water temperature is specified. There are hundreds more regulations which must be followed if the business owner wishes to stay in business.

If you own a bar and serve someone who in suspected of being legally drunk, you may be liable. There are test cases now in the courts where bars have been sued for letting a patron leave drunk knowing he was intending to drive home.

You are very entitled to your opinion, but it may or may not fit the legalities of business ownership.

My opinion is still that the health, safety, and comfort of the general public comes first in licensing any business that is open to the public.

And yes, I am a judgemental jerk. You say that like it's a bad thing.

Ain't opinions wonderful?
These things and why it's not the same was addressed in an earlier post.
I guess another privledge you should have is to have everything repeated just for your benefit?

There is a big difference between a public place and a place open to the public.
One is funded by 'your' money(some museums and the like) and with governmental bldgs (courts,DMV,etc)you maybe need to go there so you get your way.

The other is funded & operated by the owners and you don't NEED to ever go in there.
When your wants and my wants conflict and I'm the one paying the bills yours should not come first.

All you that keep saying there is a choice?
Ha! The majority of states have state-wide bans for all bars & restaurants ,even those privately owned
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Old 12-26-2008, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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Good for you guys, truly. Everyone has some sort of addiction, because smoking isn't one of yours doesn't give you or anyone else the right to judge how I am as an individual. It makes you look like an ******* if anything.

Just because you don't have the will power to overcome your addiction doesn't give you the right to impose health risks upon others in the form of secondhand smoke.

You want to harm yourself, maybe care more for nicotine than your own family's health..what does that say about you? SMOKING SHOULD BE CONFINED TO THE ADDICTS HOME... PERIOD.
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Old 12-26-2008, 01:52 PM
 
Location: um....guess
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Just because you don't have the will power to overcome your addiction doesn't give you the right to impose health risks upon others in the form of secondhand smoke.

You want to harm yourself, maybe care more for nicotine than your own family' health..what does that say about you? SMOKING SHOULD BE CONFINED TO THE ADDICTS HOME... PERIOD.
Yeah, I'm single & have no roommates so there goes that theory. I do believe that this entire thread & specifically MY argument has been this.......bars that are non-smoking is just fine, I have no problem w/that. It should be left up to the owner. Therefore, for those of you who do NOT smoke, you obviously have choices to go to. Then there are the bars where the owner chooses to allow smoking...that is the place I will frequent & everyone who goes in there KNOWS it's a smoking establishment. Therefore, a non-smoker who doesn't want to be exposed does NOT have or need to go in there. Do you see where I'm going w/this?
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Old 12-26-2008, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Just because you don't have the will power to overcome your addiction doesn't give you the right to impose health risks upon others in the form of secondhand smoke.

You want to harm yourself, maybe care more for nicotine than your own family's health..what does that say about you? SMOKING SHOULD BE CONFINED TO THE ADDICTS HOME... PERIOD.
Or in places that adults WILLING GO...PERIOD
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Old 12-26-2008, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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Yeah, I'm single & have no roommates so there goes that theory. I do believe that this entire thread & specifically MY argument has been this.......bars that are non-smoking is just fine, I have no problem w/that. It should be left up to the owner. Therefore, for those of you who do NOT smoke, you obviously have choices to go to. Then there are the bars where the owner chooses to allow smoking...that is the place I will frequent & everyone who goes in there KNOWS it's a smoking establishment. Therefore, a non-smoker who doesn't want to be exposed does NOT have or need to go in there. Do you see where I'm going w/this?


Initiative 901 (banning smoking in public places and within 25 feet of any public place) passed overwhelmingly in WA state despite the opposition bringing up arguments similar to yours. Smokers complained at first as did bar owners, but everything has worked out for the betterment of all. Hopefully all the states will eventually enact similar laws.

The days when smoking was accepted are over, people are tired and disgusted by those weak willed sorry individuals that would engage in such a harmful habit. Smokers have become outcasts and are no better than any drug addict.
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Old 12-26-2008, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Florida
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It's amazing that so many that aren't weak willed sorry individuals that would engage in such a harmful habit would care about what went on in a bar
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Old 12-26-2008, 02:15 PM
 
Location: um....guess
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Smokers have become outcasts and are no better than any drug addict.
Yes, well that's an outright as**ole statement & completely uncalled for. I don't think of others as weak willed or drug addicts because of their addictions.
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