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Old 12-26-2008, 01:18 PM
 
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There's nothing wrong with smoking bans in bars - if the bar owner chooses to ban it, as many would to attract the customers who don't like smoking. Then customers and bar employees would have a choice - everybody wins. The same applies to clubs, restaurants, stores, offices, apartments, neighborhood associations, etc, etc, etc. It's the GOVERNMENT smoking bans (and everything else that the government does) that is the problem!
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Old 12-26-2008, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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Yes, well that's an outright as**ole statement & completely uncalled for. I don't think of others as weak willed or drug addicts because of their addictions.
Certainly you are entitled to your opinion, as am I....However my opinion is based on fact.. anyone who engages in a habit that they know is endangering their health and those of their loved ones, a habit that makes them a social outcast, but yet is unable to stop, can only be considered a weak willed, character flawed drug addict.
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Old 12-26-2008, 01:28 PM
 
Location: um....guess
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Certainly you are entitled to your opinion, as am I....However my opinion is based on fact.. anyone who engages in a habit that they know is endangering their health and those of their loved ones, a habit that makes them a social outcast, but yet is unable to stop, can only be considered a weak willed, character flawed drug addict.
I know plenty who would disagree w/that opinion. I'll also mention that compared to many others who aren't afraid to spout their judgemental rude opinions, I'm better than that.
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Old 12-26-2008, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Houston Texas
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Certainly you are entitled to your opinion, as am I....However my opinion is based on fact.. anyone who engages in a habit that they know is endangering their health and those of their loved ones, a habit that makes them a social outcast, but yet is unable to stop, can only be considered a weak willed, character flawed drug addict.
One could read any post of yours and conclude that a weak willed and character flawed person wrote it.

I don't smoke, but I bet there are many extremely productive people that do and your comments are contradictory of what a uber-accepting Liberal would say, as you try to portray yourself as.
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Old 12-26-2008, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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I know plenty who would disagree w/that opinion. I'll also mention that compared to many others who aren't afraid to spout their judgemental rude opinions, I'm better than that.

There can be no dispute that smoking is an addiction to the drug nicotine. Therefore, smokers are drug addicts.

Millions have quit the habit (including myself) leading one to conclude that those unable to quit harming themselves and others through smoking are weak willed, an obvious character flaw.
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Old 12-26-2008, 01:41 PM
 
Location: um....guess
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There can be no dispute that smoking is an addiction to the drug nicotine. Therefore, smokers are drug addicts.

Millions have quit the habit (including myself) leading one to conclude that those unable to quit harming themselves and others through smoking are weak willed, an obvious character flaw.
So far, the theory that someone once told me about ex-smokers being the most militant about smoking is correct. Again, you have no idea who I am or what I'm like, you're basing your judgement on the fact that I smoke. Wow, so glad I don't base people's character on certain things they do or don't do, I would never have any friends!
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Old 12-26-2008, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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I don't think of others as weak willed or drug addicts because of their addictions.
Ah...

I think you ought to reread this sentence you just posted.

Downright Orwellian.
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Old 12-26-2008, 01:52 PM
 
Location: um....guess
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Ah...

I think you ought to reread this sentence you just posted.

Downright Orwellian.
Really? Because I'm not judging people based on the fact that they smoke?
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Old 12-26-2008, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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So far, the theory that someone once told me about ex-smokers being the most militant about smoking is correct. Again, you have no idea who I am or what I'm like, you're basing your judgement on the fact that I smoke. Wow, so glad I don't base people's character on certain things they do or don't do, I would never have any friends!

Up till now, I've stated nothing but facts. However, I will offer this opinion....anyone that purposely buys carcinogens to inhale has a problem.
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Old 12-26-2008, 02:05 PM
 
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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I don't have a problem with smoking in bars. I have never gone into a bar because of health concerns and I don't know of anybody else that goes into a bar for thei health.
To me it's like going to a fast food restaurant and expecting a healthy meal.
You can get a healthy meal at a fast food restaurant as many have salads and other items for the health conscious.
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