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Old 12-08-2008, 07:28 AM
 
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A recent article showed up in the last issue of the American Conservative magazine that caught my eye. A discussion on Syria's internal conflict between its secular government and the ascending fundamentalist sects.

Syria is a country that has Christian celebrations as official state holidays, and civil servants are even allowed Sunday's off to attend church. Women are allowed to wear make up, smoke, and are quite active in public and political life. Syrian security forces even helped foil a terrorist attack on a US embassy, yet still to this day Syria is viewed as being very much one of the "axis of evil" states.

Yet despite Syria's desires to embrace western ideals over that of fundamentalist Islam, the US passed the "Syria Accountability Act" in 2003 and imposed economic sanctions on Damascus. Additionally, the US recently made a cross border raid from Iraq on the village of Al-Sukkiraya in which eight people were killed, where the US claimed to have been targeting Al Qaeda linked terrorist which were crossing the border. In all, the US has shown a great deal of hostility towards Syria at a time when more fundamentalist groups vie for power.

It makes one scratch their head that the US claims to be in a war on terror against radical fundamentalist Islam, yet like in Iraq, Syria's more secular state is shunned, emboldening and empowering the very people we claim to be opposed to.

In doing a simple google search on the terms secular Syria, there is a litany of articles from places like CS Monitor that discuss this fragile struggle between a secular and totalitarian Syria and that of radical Islam. It begs the question of what our own motives really are, as we have no problems with supporting a very conservative and fundamentalist state like Saudi Arabia which has a monarchy, yet we denounce efforts of the Syrian government which desires to be more moderate.

It may just be as simple as Syria's support of the democratically elected Hamas government and that of the US-Israeli regional hegemony that makes Syria such a target. It was after all during the high profile visit of Syrian foreign minister Walid Al Muallem to London in October in which the US attacked Syria, leading many to believe it was little more than a counter to Syrian diplomatic moves with Europe to come out of the cold. Additionally, better relations with Syria would serve to further isolate Iran which does not have the same level of desires to cooperate with the west.

In the end however, I have come to believe that US foreign policy is not so much about lessening tensions as much as it is about maintaining them or at least has been the case in the past almost eight years. I give Syria about a 10 to 1 chance of moving towards the west, not because they don't want it but because we don't want it.
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Old 12-08-2008, 09:06 AM
 
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Palestine also used to be Christian. Bethlehem is in the West Bank.

The whole issue you outlined above, the ignorance shown by the Christian Right, Bush, and the outright hate and selfish racism by the Neocons and the Israel Lobby, leads to these horrible and counter-productive US Congressional "Acts" that are hurtful to the Levantine Christians.

Saddam Hussein's second in command was Tariq Aziz, who was a Christian.

All of the propaganda we get fed in the US media is full of ignorance and lies skewed to help the Zionists' position. FoxNews is especially sneaky and guilty when it comes to this.
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Old 12-08-2008, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Why do we think we have enemies?
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Old 12-08-2008, 10:24 AM
 
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Palestine also used to be Christian. Bethlehem is in the West Bank.

The whole issue you outlined above, the ignorance shown by the Christian Right, Bush, and the outright hate and selfish racism by the Neocons and the Israel Lobby, leads to these horrible and counter-productive US Congressional "Acts" that are hurtful to the Levantine Christians.

Saddam Hussein's second in command was Tariq Aziz, who was a Christian.

All of the propaganda we get fed in the US media is full of ignorance and lies skewed to help the Zionists' position. FoxNews is especially sneaky and guilty when it comes to this.
Well, I'm of the opinion that the Christian right are as much used as a political tool or voting bloc as anything. To ensure support from the Christian right in America, all one has to do is frame any issue as being, anti-abortion, anti-Israel, or pro-life and you can pretty much guarantee their vote. Few voting blocs are as reliable as the obedient habits of the right.

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Why do we think we have enemies?
(chuckling) can you get any broader in scope? I mean, in the case of Syria specifically, their alienation then pushes them towards what other possible options, Russia, Iran, etc... So we have to then ask, why would we ostracize Syria so vehemently unless we desired them to seek our support from those that would oppose us?

Does anyone ever ask, what risk and what dangers exist, and to what realistic level of danger exist from Syria towards that of the United States? Is it merely Syria's potential threat towards Israel that gives us our foreign policy stance towards Syria? Maybe it is US interests in Iraq that are threatened?
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Old 12-08-2008, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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We want war to keep the military industrial complex well fed. The Saudi's want to destroy any Republic in the region lest their own citizens start geting ideas. So we mess with Syria but not Jordan.
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Old 12-08-2008, 10:32 AM
 
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Syria is a secular dictatorship. The are "efficient" in handling religious crazies. I worked with a Syrian guy who got picked up by the secret police for knowing the wrong relious crazy guy.

Fortunately for him, his story of only passing acquaintance, checked out and he got home that night having only been questioned. His friend who was a real friend of the guy was not so lucky.
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Old 12-09-2008, 08:57 AM
 
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We want war to keep the military industrial complex well fed. The Saudi's want to destroy any Republic in the region lest their own citizens start geting ideas. So we mess with Syria but not Jordan.
psssssst... Don't tell them about that whole Iraq project then!
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Old 12-09-2008, 09:10 AM
 
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Syria is not the problem, The U.S. backing the terrorist state of Israel is. No backing of Israel, we would have friends all over in that region. All Muslim people/countries know what Israel is doing to Palestine/Palestinians. Most Americans are either ignorant/dumb to the fact of what their 3 Trillion tax payer dollars$$ has paid for, money given to a country that has no minerals, resources, nothing to gain. The U.S. has given no such other aid to any other country that has only "rock, mud" as their resources.

Your money has paid for the wounding, killing of innocent unarmed Palestinian people, and the stealing of their land. Aint it great to be an American! So-If you wonder why they hate us so much, why they want to perform terrorist acts-now you know. P.S. ever wonder why mainstream media keeps a low key on the funds we POUR into this country?

And for all you "the bible says we must protect" You need a lobotomy.
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