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Old 12-08-2008, 01:16 PM
 
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Perhaps it has do to with the 'slippey slope' argument? I cannot argue with the wishes of a terminally ill adult who wishes to hasten their own death. But, would it be likely that if it became legal, euthanasia would encompass children born with birth defects? People with Alzeheimers? Down Syndromed? People who are just 'old'? At what point could we draw the line?
It is a very complicated subject, with pros and cons.
slippery slope arguments are probably the worst form of argument generally, especially here. We draw lines all the time. You shouldn't not do something because you think it might "intellectually" lead someplace you don't want to go. Unless you think it will PHYSICALLY/LOGICALLY entail that other thing, it's pretty irrelevant.
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Old 12-08-2008, 01:25 PM
 
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slippery slope arguments are probably the worst form of argument generally, especially here. We draw lines all the time. You shouldn't not do something because you think it might "intellectually" lead someplace you don't want to go. Unless you think it will PHYSICALLY/LOGICALLY entail that other thing, it's pretty irrelevant.
OK then.....I would be against it because human nature being what it is, and human history for that matter, would tell me that ethical lines would be crossed. That people would feel 'guilted' into euthanasia by relatives or doctors. That if you think HMOs suck now, wait till there is an underwriter balancing treatment vs euthanasia costs.
And if we really want to get down to brass tacks here....how many dogs and cats that are euthanised would rather live and die at a doggy hospice then getting a needle in the rear? Euthanasia serves its purpose on an individual case by case basis, but to have a wholesale legalization of it similiar to the Humane Society? Abuse would surely follow, and that is not a strawman....that is human nature.
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Old 12-08-2008, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Perhaps it has do to with the 'slippey slope' argument? I cannot argue with the wishes of a terminally ill adult who wishes to hasten their own death. But, would it be likely that if it became legal, euthanasia would encompass children born with birth defects? People with Alzeheimers? Down Syndromed? People who are just 'old'? At what point could we draw the line?
It is a very complicated subject, with pros and cons.
It's quite easy. Nobody gets euthanized unless they have signed an agreement while of sound mind, that they are willing to be. No problem.

We have banned convicted felons from voting. Slippery slope? How do we now stop banning all sorts of people from voting?
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Old 12-08-2008, 01:35 PM
 
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It's quite easy. Nobody gets euthanized unless they have signed an agreement while of sound mind, that they are willing to be. No problem.

We have banned convicted felons from voting. Slippery slope? How do we now stop banning all sorts of people from voting?
terry schaivo didnt sign a damn thing....
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Old 12-08-2008, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Lightbulb Why is euthanizing animals "humane" yet we don't want to let humans do this to themselves?

Short answer:

animals don't have legal rights, so lawyers can't make any money from contesting their euthanasia.
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Old 12-08-2008, 01:41 PM
 
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It's quite easy. Nobody gets euthanized unless they have signed an agreement while of sound mind, that they are willing to be. No problem.

We have banned convicted felons from voting. Slippery slope? How do we now stop banning all sorts of people from voting?
Put it this way......if you were dx with cancer and the dr told you that with treatment you had a 25% chance at living, but it would cost substantially more then being euthanized, is it possible that you would feel 'guilted' into euthanasia to spare your family the expense of treatment? Would your answer change if you were 25, 45, or 75 years old?

But then, you are talking to a person who spent close to $2000 this year on two emergency surgeries for her cat. Either that makes me consistent in elevating life, or it makes me a damn fool. I'd like to think the cat appreciated it, though
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Old 12-08-2008, 01:53 PM
 
Location: here
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Somebody please explain this.

We think it's "Kind" "humane" "the right thing" to euthanize a sick animal who has no chance of recovery.

Yet we don't even let humans CHOOSE to do this when they're in the same scenario.

Why?
I've often wondered that.
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Old 12-08-2008, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Slippery slope is lame. You do just make a decision and cut it off at some reasonable point.

Saying you can't explore cloning research b/c someone will run off and create a mutant slave army or some stupid crap like that is a perfect example of why slippery slope arguments are dumb.

I am with camping...I don't think animals want to die. I think we put them down to ease our own suffering.
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Old 12-08-2008, 02:12 PM
 
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Somebody please explain this.

We think it's "Kind" "humane" "the right thing" to euthanize a sick animal who has no chance of recovery.

Yet we don't even let humans CHOOSE to do this when they're in the same scenario.

Why?
Excellent question and one I've always asked myself.

I've personally found two answers to this; one is that the law punishes anyone who 'assists' the suicide of a human. The legal ramifications and threats of punishment for doctors, hospitals or anyone who wants to 'help' someone take their own life is just too great. Remember Kovorkian?

Two; humans are hypocrites and have a double-standard regarding the value of their own vs other forms of life.

I think if it's 'good' to euthanize an animal that is beyond hope of recovery and subject to pain then it's definitely right to do the same with azzholes ...er ..I mean humans.
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Old 12-08-2008, 02:20 PM
 
Location: um....guess
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Put it this way......if you were dx with cancer and the dr told you that with treatment you had a 25% chance at living, but it would cost substantially more then being euthanized, is it possible that you would feel 'guilted' into euthanasia to spare your family the expense of treatment? Would your answer change if you were 25, 45, or 75 years old?

But then, you are talking to a person who spent close to $2000 this year on two emergency surgeries for her cat. Either that makes me consistent in elevating life, or it makes me a damn fool. I'd like to think the cat appreciated it, though
I have no problem spending whatever kind of money it costs to take care of my cat either. I used to work for a vet & I'll never forget one person who put their dog down because they thought it was for the dogs own good...the dog wasn't even seriously sick & could've survived it's trauma (it was hit by a car). Now, I do not have a problem w/patients who are able to express their wishes to be euthanisized to let it happen for them. It is their wish, who are we to deny them that?
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