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I saw this program a couple of days ago. Has anyone seen this documentary?
As one of the directing trainers for the Navy SERE program said, in our policies at guantanamo George W. Bush have literally given the rest of the world the permission to torture American soldiers, with no adherence to the Geneva convention. What we have dealt out to the prisoners at Guantanamo, will be returned to our soldiers in kind.
The brave military officers and lawyers, who so opposed this torture, are what I'd always believed were the strength of the US. How sad that Bush et al threw it down the drain.
I had no idea as to the depth of the Bush admin's contempt for our Constitution. He should be ashamed.
I can only hope that Senator Obama can do something to change that perception and reality of us around the world.
We have practically destroyed ourselves. No foreign terrorists, no ridiculous "domestic terrorist" groups, nothing but the Bush administration to put the final stamp on our reputation. Like Nixon, he too feels he is above the law. It is just so very sad.
Wow... What happened? Who let the ___ out of school? The people at Gitmo behind the bars want to hurt anyone who disagrees with them. They were captured attempting to destroy civilization for millions of Afgan's by incurring exactly what you hate about America. Think about it. You who support Muslim extremists in any way are doing what you incorrectly complain about GWB, but they are doing it without any check points.
I mean dah, your anger has so blinded you that either you are the enemy or you are a fool.
I saw this program a couple of days ago. Has anyone seen this documentary?
As one of the directing trainers for the Navy SERE program said, in our policies at guantanamo George W. Bush have literally given the rest of the world the permission to torture American soldiers, with no adherence to the Geneva convention. What we have dealt out to the prisoners at Guantanamo, will be returned to our soldiers in kind.
The brave military officers and lawyers, who so opposed this torture, are what I'd always believed were the strength of the US. How sad that Bush et al threw it down the drain.
I had no idea as to the depth of the Bush admin's contempt for our Constitution. He should be ashamed.
I can only hope that Senator Obama can do something to change that perception and reality of us around the world.
We have practically destroyed ourselves. No foreign terrorists, no ridiculous "domestic terrorist" groups, nothing but the Bush administration to put the final stamp on our reputation. Like Nixon, he too feels he is above the law. It is just so very sad.
torturingdemocracy.org
You sound like a child who has been disciplined by a loving parent. OUR ENEMIES have no rights! I am reminded of Chamberlain trying to appease Hitler in 1937 & 38. The only thing an aggressor understands is pain and hard hitting pain at that. I don't give a darn about how our enemy nations or groups care about us. It's our friends and my family that I worry about.
Stop drinking the Kool-Ade folks... I guarantee you, that if we give plenty of tough love, they will stop the crap.
You sound like a child who has been disciplined by a loving parent. OUR ENEMIES have no rights! I am reminded of Chamberlain trying to appease Hitler in 1937 & 38. The only thing an aggressor understands is pain and hard hitting pain at that. I don't give a darn about how our enemy nations or groups care about us. It's our friends and my family that I worry about.
Stop drinking the Kool-Ade folks... I guarantee you, that if we give plenty of tough love, they will stop the crap.
If you look at why a lot of people actually joined in Iraq and joined al-queda, a significant portion joined because of our policies with regards to captured soldier treatment (aka Guantanamo, abu graib, etc.)
You sound like a child who has been disciplined by a loving parent. OUR ENEMIES have no rights! I am reminded of Chamberlain trying to appease Hitler in 1937 & 38. The only thing an aggressor understands is pain and hard hitting pain at that. I don't give a darn about how our enemy nations or groups care about us. It's our friends and my family that I worry about.
Stop drinking the Kool-Ade folks... I guarantee you, that if we give plenty of tough love, they will stop the crap.
Clearly, you know nothing about the documentary, and did not even bother to check the link I posted. Therefore, you entirely missed the point of the documentary. And you entirely missed the point of my post.
Name one, just one, bit of intelligence that has come out of our government sanctioned torture of prisoners. You simply cannot do it, because there has been none.
"You who support Muslim extremists in any way are doing what you incorrectly complain about GWB, but they are doing it without any check points." What? Can you rewrite that sentence so that it makes sense?
No group that actually would capture a US soldier adheres to a no torture policy.
Put it this way. Would you rather be a prisoner of the US or Al Qaeda?
I know that, but we are not them. We used to be above officially sanctioned torture of human beings. The documentary has many interviews with high-ranking career military who correctly point out that no reliable intelligence has ever been gotten out of torture. Ever. These are men who study intelligence gathering, and who train the soldiers who are put through the SERE school. The soldiers are taught what to expect when and if they are captured. Torture. They expect their soldiers to "break". I believe that they know whereof they speak, these career soldiers.
Not one bit of intelligence has come out of Guantanamo. I take the word of a Lieutenant Colonel who is intereviewed in the documentary. I take the word of the officer who was a supervising trainer at the SERE school. He was absolutely livid about the torture, because he knows we have no standing in rules of war any longer; we have placed ourselves on a level with the terrorists. No holds barred. and absolutely nothing has been gained from it.
The point of the documentary is that we have crossed a very dangerous line. The President is not above the law, nor is the Vice President. They are sworn to uphold treaties and the US Constitution.
Put it this way. Would you rather be a prisoner of the US or Al Qaeda?
Al Qaeda. At least, I could hope that some day Al Qaeda will fall , and I'd be released. Or that Al Qaeda would make a token effort to find out if I was really worth keeping or not. Or that if Al Qaeda had incarcerated me, they might have some glimmer of an idea that I had actually done something to justify being held, and I would know that my captivity was hypothetically deserved. Or, if they thought I had some usefuol intel, they would find somebody who spoke my language to interrogate me, instread of having 18 year old hillbillies scraming obscenities at me in Arabic and abusing me for not giving logical, well-thought-out answers in articulate Arabic.
The irony is that by adopting AQ-like values for prisioners, we continue to be less like the US and more like "them". US was one of the champions of the Geneva conventions and now W is almost championing its demise.If we continue for a decade or so (this is a long struggle), constitution-wise, we may end up looking like "Saudi-lite" and still have our "security" and "way of life". It is very simple - if you believe in our values, be prepared to uphold them.
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It is very simple - if you believe in our values, be prepared to uphold them.
