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It's get so irritating to hear the ignorance that it's the unions fault and if we just force them into making $10.00 a hour then all will be well.
One of the Senators made the point last night that the unions are the ONLY entity in the entire automotive industry being asked to make suicidal concessions at this moment right now. The union broke their own contracts and made concessions twice within the last two years, they agreed to a two tier wage system which guarantees new employees will never make what the older employees made. They agreed in October to wage decreases to help bring their labor costs down to the level of foreign auto companies wages for American workers. They took BILLIONS of liability off the books by assuming responsibility for health care and retirement operations.
No dealers, white collar workers, parts supplier, CEO, CFO, CIO, no one has been asked to give up a percentage of what the workers are asked to give up yet many of us secretly gloat because those people who didn't go to college now can't afford to live in my zip code and I now get to look down on them.
Americans have to produce something it's the backbone of this economy and this country, the textile business, the steel industries, the clothing manufacturing business have all been decimated and sent over seas, yet we believe that people who sit in an office with a corporate job can float the economy, because a person did not or could not go to college does not mean that they should be regulated to sub standard living and minimum wage jobs as societal punishment, although automotive workers may not have gone to college look at the vast amount of training and certifications many have to achieve in order to do that job in the factory, just because they work in the factories doesn't make them stupid or unintelligent.
So we put millions of people out of work with no other industry offering a decent living wage, everybody than goes back to college gets a degree in your field and floods it, are you happy then, now that your wages and field is stagnant?
The stores, restaurants, doctors, dentists, independent business people all see their business decline, some even going out of business, why? because some republican Senators from the south want to solidify the foreign autos companies plants in their district and kill the union all in one throw and some of the so called college educated folk bite off their own noses in spite of their faces saying things will rebound.
What they don't say is that they really could care less if it rebounds or not as long as it doesn't affect their livelihood, welcome to the new America where you step on the back of your fellow man because his career path was different then yours.
It was said last night that if this senate was sitting during the world wars we would have lost those wars due to the selfish posturing of those senators more concerned with their neck of the woods and their business interests instead of the good of the country, I agree, as well as the selfish nature of Americans caught up in the ignorance of class warfare.
Just a snippet to cut the outrageous nonsense that autoworkers make $70.00 and hour or a boatload more than the foreign car workers in the south.
It's get so irritating to hear the ignorance that it's the unions fault and if we just force them into making $10.00 a hour then all will be well.
Keep in mind that we are all out here seriously tightening our belts with declining home equities, inability to sell our products, fighting higher local taxes with no help from our government. I once had my son-in-law brag that he made four times my former professional salary in the new car sales business with only a high school education. I didn't say a thing because I knew that I made 1/4 his salary 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year for thirty years. He is now laid off. The lesson here is that nothing is free, and if it looks free, you had better take a second look. Things are getting really tough and not just in Michigan.
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It's get so irritating to hear the ignorance that it's the unions fault and if we just force them into making $10.00 a hour then all will be well.
One of the Senators made the point last night that the unions are the ONLY entity in the entire automotive industry being asked to make suicidal concessions at this moment right now. The union broke their own contracts and made concessions twice within the last two years, they agreed to a two tier wage system which guarantees new employees will never make what the older employees made. They agreed in October to wage decreases to help bring their labor costs down to the level of foreign auto companies wages for American workers. They took BILLIONS of liability off the books by assuming responsibility for health care and retirement operations.
No dealers, white collar workers, parts supplier, CEO, CFO, CIO, no one has been asked to give up a percentage of what the workers are asked to give up yet many of us secretly gloat because those people who didn't go to college now can't afford to live in my zip code and I now get to look down on them.
Americans have to produce something it's the backbone of this economy and this country, the textile business, the steel industries, the clothing manufacturing business have all been decimated and sent over seas, yet we believe that people who sit in an office with a corporate job can float the economy, because a person did not or could not go to college does not mean that they should be regulated to sub standard living and minimum wage jobs as societal punishment, although automotive workers may not have gone to college look at the vast amount of training and certifications many have to achieve in order to do that job in the factory, just because they work in the factories doesn't make them stupid or unintelligent.
So we put millions of people out of work with no other industry offering a decent living wage, everybody than goes back to college gets a degree in your field and floods it, are you happy then, now that your wages and field is stagnant?
The stores, restaurants, doctors, dentists, independent business people all see their business decline, some even going out of business, why? because some republican Senators from the south want to solidify the foreign autos companies plants in their district and kill the union all in one throw and some of the so called college educated folk bite off their own noses in spite of their faces saying things will rebound.
What they don't say is that they really could care less if it rebounds or not as long as it doesn't affect their livelihood, welcome to the new America where you step on the back of your fellow man because his career path was different then yours.
It was said last night that if this senate was sitting during the world wars we would have lost those wars due to the selfish posturing of those senators more concerned with their neck of the woods and their business interests instead of the good of the country, I agree, as well as the selfish nature of Americans caught up in the ignorance of class warfare.
Just a snippet to cut the outrageous nonsense that autoworkers make $70.00 and hour or a boatload more than the foreign car workers in the south.
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I'd like to see Congress lead (yeah, right! ) by example and give back a large portion of their salaries, make up for some of their non-productive time passing non-binding resolutions, etc.
The problem is for the lower paid workers in other industries and in other states being forced to pay for this bailout so that the Detroit auto workers and CEO's can keep hauling in the big bucks. How much taxes should someone making $12 or $20 be raised because Detroit is living so high on the hog?
The problem is with NAFTA and the globalization of jobs. Those would still be in effect, American jobs are still being sent out of the country so a bailout makes absolutely no sense. Get rid of NAFTA if you don't want American autoworkers to compete with third world labor.
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) by example and give back a large portion of their salaries, make up for some of their non-productive time passing non-binding resolutions, etc.
