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Old 01-24-2009, 01:35 PM
 
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It matters to me because it is one more unraveling of the thread that holds together society. The sanctity of marriage, the importance of the family, belief in a higher power, patriotism and military service, and so on are all under attack. Our nation is coming apart at the seams and that seems to be the objective.
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Old 01-24-2009, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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It matters to me because it is one more unraveling of the thread that holds together society. The sanctity of marriage, the importance of the family, belief in a higher power, patriotism and military service, and so on are all under attack. Our nation is coming apart at the seams and that seems to be the objective.
For some people, the world is just too complex.
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Old 01-24-2009, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Accokeek, Maryland
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It matters to me because it is one more unraveling of the thread that holds together society. The sanctity of marriage, the importance of the family, belief in a higher power, patriotism and military service, and so on are all under attack. Our nation is coming apart at the seams and that seems to be the objective.
I would think that extending marriage rights would be another thread that would help strengthen society. Yes, it would be different from what we've traditionally had, but how would it weaken society?

It's certainly not going to impact, either way, the number of people who are gay, only how they live within our civil society and, to that end, marriage would seem to be a stabilizing force, not a destructive one.
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Old 01-24-2009, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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I would think that extending marriage rights would be another thread that would help strengthen society. Yes, it would be different from what we've traditionally had, but how would it weaken society?

It's certainly not going to impact, either way, the number of people who are gay, only how they live within our civil society and, to that end, marriage would seem to be a stabilizing force, not a destructive one.
Absolutely. Being in favor of same-sex marriage is actually a conservative position in many ways. Why wouldn't society want to encourage long-term relationships?

I think a national civil unions law would be a good start. Then the individual states can figure out for themselves whether or not they want to convert their civil union law to marriage. It sure would be simpler to have one set of laws that apply to everyone rather than trying to maintain a "separate but equal" system of marriage. The smart states will realize this.
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Old 02-25-2009, 12:06 PM
 
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I agree with you. I'm all for love but I'm all for dignity too and I think that PDA....hetro and homo are less about love and more about "look what I've got." Holding hands while walking is fine with me. Beyond that you're just showing off..not showing love.
I have to disagree with you both. PDA is just people show love they could careless who watches and they arent doing it so they can show off. Also i think homo PDA is truly sweet because those people have the courage to do that and not care what anyone thing. Those people are the people who are truely in love
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Old 02-25-2009, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Oxford, England
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Nothing to do with me at all. None of my business who someone decides to marry.

I support the right of two consenting adults to have exactly the same rights I as a heterosexual enjoy, including marriage. Anything less would be a travesty of social justice and human rights.

I am all for commitment and long term relationships . All human beings should have the right to marry or not marry the people they love. Regardless of sexual orientation, colour, race, nationality, creed, etc...

Nobody forces you to marry somebody of the same sex so why does it matter ?

I will never understand why people get their knickers in a twist about. Even if you think it is a sin, you are not the one committing it .

We need more love not less. The law should not discriminate between different types of relationships. As long as it does not harm anyone then quite frankly butt out of other people's business.
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Old 02-25-2009, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A.
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It matters to me because it is one more unraveling of the thread that holds together society. The sanctity of marriage, the importance of the family, belief in a higher power, patriotism and military service, and so on are all under attack. Our nation is coming apart at the seams and that seems to be the objective.

Exactly! I served 6 years in the Air Force, have been mongamous for 14 years, go to church every Sunday (well, almost), fly my American flag proudly on my front porch, and my highest priority is raising and nurturing my children and making it "until death do we part". I get up and go to work every day to help provide a home for my children and be a productive member in society.

Oh, wait. I'm also gay, so I forgot to pick at the seams that hold the country together today. Thanks for reminding me
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Old 02-25-2009, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Oxford, England
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Exactly! I served 6 years in the Air Force, have been mongamous for 14 years, go to church every Sunday (well, almost), fly my American flag proudly on my front porch, and my highest priority is raising and nurturing my children and making it "until death do we part". I get up and go to work every day to help provide a home for my children and be a productive member in society.

Oh, wait. I'm also gay, so I forgot to pick at the seams that hold the country together today. Thanks for reminding me
Ah but wouldn't it be better if you were a beer swilling, drug using, cursing , unpatriotic, promiscuous unfaithful lecherous heterosexual !?!?! I mean come on Denverian let's get things in perspective here. That's the kind of upstanding citizens we really need in our society.

Your sexual orientation is what makes you a danger to society not your character , bad deeds or lacks of morals...

I thought you would know that by now , you've read enough of those posts before.

Get with the programme !

You love a man = societal moral degradation and the spiralling down of everything which is good and wholesome and the standards we hold dear ...

Never mind I still like you !
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Old 02-25-2009, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Kentucky/ Displaced Texan
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It matters to me because it is one more unraveling of the thread that holds together society. The sanctity of marriage, the importance of the family, belief in a higher power, patriotism and military service, and so on are all under attack. Our nation is coming apart at the seams and that seems to be the objective.

I could not agree more. The country is losing it's morals and those that lead the charge against them scream hatred and we are morons. Case in point the wife beater, Sean Penn, saying those that voted against gay marriage should feel shame. The same people that called and still attack our military members for killing people. The same people dismiss religion and say it's for hillbilly's and right wing bible fanatics despite 90% of the country believing in some form of religion.

Also, Newsflash Obama even says marrigie is between a man and a women. So atleast we can hold on to something being pure in this coutry for now.
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Old 02-25-2009, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A.
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Ah but wouldn't it be better if you were a beer swilling, drug using, cursing , unpatriotic, promiscuous unfaithful lecherous heterosexual !?!?! I mean come on Denverian let's get things in perspective here. That's the kind of upstanding citizens we really need in our society.

Your sexual orientation is what makes you a danger to society not your character , bad deeds or lacks of morals...

I thought you would know that by now , you've read enough of those posts before.

Get with the programme !

You love a man = societal moral degradation and the spiralling down of everything which is good and wholesome and the standards we hold dear ...

Never mind I still like you !

I done seen some a them het'ro sexyals on Jerry Springer. They's reel good parents - if'n they could just figger out who the "baby daddy" is
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