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However, I find it hypocritical more so of Black people to deny anyone their civil rights regardless of fear. If they lost the ability to marry a white person, latino or any other person outside of their own race again wouldn't they want all people to defend them like they wanted people who 'feared them' to defend them the first time around.
You can be sure they would expect us to.
1) Blacks are being held more accountable just by being Black? So they HAVE TO rally behind any group's cause at that groups demands like we are a group of "Rent-A-Supporters"? We are NO ONE'S slaves.
2) The Black community did not actively seek out the support of other communities during the civil rights movement (others joined because they believed in the cause) We were not "disgusted" that Asians and Latinos did not join en masse but were grateful for the ones that joined of their own accord.
3) Stop treating the Black community as if WE owe YOU (the gay community) anything. We do not owe you!
4) The actions and backlash of some in the gay community in the aftermath of the passing of Prop 8 is pushing many would be supporters away. I personally voted No on Prop 8 but I am not happy that some very vocal elements of the gay community have resorted to name calling and just plain nastiness. It is making me rethink my support. Seriously.
1) Blacks are being held more accountable just by being Black? So they HAVE TO rally behind any group's cause at that groups demands like we are a group of "Rent-A-Supporters"? We are NO ONE'S slaves.
2) The Black community did not actively seek out the support of other communities during the civil rights movement (others joined because they believed in the cause) We were not "disgusted" that Asians and Latinos did not join en masse but were grateful for the ones that joined of their own accord.
3) Stop treating the Black community as if WE owe YOU (the gay community) anything. We do not owe you!
4) The actions and backlash of some in the gay community in the aftermath of the passing of Prop 8 is pushing many would be supporters away. I personally voted No on Prop 8 but I am not happy that some very vocal elements of the gay community have resorted to name calling and just plain nastiness. It is making me rethink my support. Seriously.
Sounds like the 'mos is gettin uppity out there in Californee.
And this is what I find very telling about this discussion. Every black voter in CA could have supported Prop 8 and it still would not have passed without the support of white voters, Hispanics, evangelicals and the Mormon Church who bankrolled this initiative. Yet, black Californians are being scapegoated for this. It is almost like telling those voters, how dare you exercise your choice in a way that we don't like - who do you think you are?
Instead of looking for a scapegoat, the gay community would be much better reaching out to the black community and trying to establish some common ground.
~ButterBrownBiscuit~
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Originally Posted by ovcatto
Are you equally disgusted with white people, latino people, and I imagine Asian people who voted for Prop 8?
1) Blacks are being held more accountable just by being Black? So they HAVE TO rally behind any group's cause at that groups demands like we are a group of "Rent-A-Supporters"? We are NO ONE'S slaves.
2) The Black community did not actively seek out the support of other communities during the civil rights movement (others joined because they believed in the cause) We were not "disgusted" that Asians and Latinos did not join en masse but were grateful for the ones that joined of their own accord.
3) Stop treating the Black community as if WE owe YOU (the gay community) anything. We do not owe you!
4) The actions and backlash of some in the gay community in the aftermath of the passing of Prop 8 is pushing many would be supporters away. I personally voted No on Prop 8 but I am not happy that some very vocal elements of the gay community have resorted to name calling and just plain nastiness. It is making me rethink my support. Seriously.
"-YOU-(the gay community) "
First off I am straight.
I support the gay community, black, latino, women or any other group who are being victimized and their rights taken from them.
Because I believe in America, our freedom which is why all those veterans have died in all those wars to defend.
Prop 8 is a slap in the face from the BLACK community who made it pass.
If not for their hypocritical vote it would not have passed.
answer to 2] False and incorrect information, try again. You expected the laws of the USA as a minority group to apply to you, therefore being a minority you expected groups outside of your community to support you. Many civil rights leaders pleaded with the white majority to support them.
Yes because we are Americans and this bs is breaking the very laws that define us as a nation. It is not cool to shred the constitution, deny anyone their freedom of religion, civil rights or to NOT Separate Church and State
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However, I find it hypocritical more so of Black people to deny anyone their civil rights regardless of fear. If they lost the ability to marry a white person, latino or any other person outside of their own race again wouldn't they want all people to defend them like they wanted people who 'feared them' to defend them the first time around.
You can be sure they would expect us to.
Why not find it equally hypocritical for women to vote for the measure? They faced discrimination as well.
3) Stop treating the Black community as if WE owe YOU (the gay community) anything. We do not owe you!
4) The actions and backlash of some in the gay community in the aftermath of the passing of Prop 8 is pushing many would be supporters away. I personally voted No on Prop 8 but I am not happy that some very vocal elements of the gay community have resorted to name calling and just plain nastiness. It is making me rethink my support. Seriously.
Seriously, while I understand you position, I find it to be divisive and counterproductive.
You are right that the African American community doesn't owe anything to anybody. But the African American community does owe the cause of social justice where ever injustice exists. We cannot allow the recriminations from others affect our commitment to that cause. Because some gays and their supporters lash out at our community is never sufficient reason to second guess our commitment to what is right and just.
As for this thread and threads like, it. See them for what they are and move on.
1) Blacks are being held more accountable just by being Black? So they HAVE TO rally behind any group's cause at that groups demands like we are a group of "Rent-A-Supporters"? We are NO ONE'S slaves.
2) The Black community did not actively seek out the support of other communities during the civil rights movement (others joined because they believed in the cause) We were not "disgusted" that Asians and Latinos did not join en masse but were grateful for the ones that joined of their own accord.
3) Stop treating the Black community as if WE owe YOU (the gay community) anything. We do not owe you!
4) The actions and backlash of some in the gay community in the aftermath of the passing of Prop 8 is pushing many would be supporters away. I personally voted No on Prop 8 but I am not happy that some very vocal elements of the gay community have resorted to name calling and just plain nastiness. It is making me rethink my support. Seriously.
Why don't the protesters take their fight directly where black people are?
Go to directly predominantly black neighborhoods and protest.
I would pay money to watch that on pay-per-view.
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