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Old 01-03-2009, 12:33 PM
 
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Likewise, a homosexual doesn't choose to be sensitive to certain things. A homosexual doesn't choose to be abused or neglected, etc.
Excuse me? I'm a homosexual and I was never abused or neglected - in fact I had better parents than most of my straight friends.
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Old 01-03-2009, 12:42 PM
 
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I think the whole "choice" thing is complicated. I am straight, but I feel it's my choice to be straight. I mean, I have the option and freedom of doing stuff with guys if I wanted to, but I choose not to, so in a way it is a choice. I'm not sexually attracted to men at all, and that's just that's just the way I feel. Women are what feel right to me, but I guess my brain was made that way..or maybe it's just my preference and a chose that.
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Old 01-03-2009, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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I think the whole "choice" thing is complicated. I am straight, but I feel it's my choice to be straight. I mean, I have the option and freedom of doing stuff with guys if I wanted to, but I choose not to, so in a way it is a choice. I'm not sexually attracted to men at all, and that's just that's just the way I feel. Women are what feel right to me, but I guess my brain was made that way..or maybe it's just my preference and a chose that.
You are what is known as "straight".

Deal with it.
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Old 01-03-2009, 01:17 PM
 
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I think the whole "choice" thing is complicated. I am straight, but I feel it's my choice to be straight. I mean, I have the option and freedom of doing stuff with guys if I wanted to, but I choose not to, so in a way it is a choice. I'm not sexually attracted to men at all, and that's just that's just the way I feel. Women are what feel right to me, but I guess my brain was made that way..or maybe it's just my preference and a chose that.


You are making a common mistake that many others do as well. "Sex acts" are different than "sexuality" and/or "sexual orientation."


Sure, you have the "option" to "do stuff" with guys, but "doing stuff" with guys does not make you a homosexual. Straight people can "do stuff" with members of same sex through the wonders of friction, mental fantasy and even modern medicine, but unless you are ATTRACTED SEXUALLY to members of the same sex, you are not gay.


Likewise, plenty of homosexuals living in denial (many of them ex-gays) can go their entire lives engaging in heterosexual acts whilst being gay (or bisexual). If you are having sex with your wife while thinking of naked guys, you're not straight!!
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Old 01-03-2009, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, IN
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I think the whole "choice" thing is complicated. I am straight, but I feel it's my choice to be straight. I mean, I have the option and freedom of doing stuff with guys if I wanted to, but I choose not to, so in a way it is a choice. I'm not sexually attracted to men at all, and that's just that's just the way I feel. Women are what feel right to me, but I guess my brain was made that way..or maybe it's just my preference and a chose that.
No, you're just making it seem complicated. There is no choice when it comes to who you are physically attracted to, which is what the debate is all about. As a gay man I am physically attracted to guys but when I look at a girl, no matter how beautiful she is, I experience absolutely zero sexual desire, not a peep from down there if you get my drift. Who I am attracted to is something I have no control over; a little chemical reaction goes off in my mind and that's all there is to it. There have been numerous scientific studies of the biological and genetic components of homosexuality in recent years and virtually all the evidence thus far indicates that homosexuals have distinct genetic and biological differences in comparison to heterosexuals, so you can argue til you're blue in the face but you can't change the evidence to the contrary.

If you, as a heterosexual, can't change who you are physically attracted to then it should be obvious that there is no choice involved. If you can change you attraction then you aren't heterosexual, but one of those rare creatures known as bisexuals! Heheh.
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Old 01-03-2009, 01:24 PM
 
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No, you're just making it seem complicated. There is no choice when it comes to who you are physically attracted to, which is what the debate is all about. As a gay man I am physically attracted to guys but when I look at a girl, no matter how beautiful she is, I experience absolutely zero sexual desire, not a peep from down there if you get my drift. Who I am attracted to is something I have no control over; a little chemical reaction goes off in my mind and that's all there is to it. There have been numerous scientific studies of the biological and genetic components of homosexuality in recent years and virtually all the evidence thus far indicates that homosexuals have distinct genetic and biological differences in comparison to heterosexuals, so you can argue til you're blue in the face but you can't change the evidence to the contrary.

If you, as a heterosexual, can't change who you are physically attracted to then it should be obvious that there is no choice involved. If you can change you attraction then you aren't heterosexual, but one of those rare creatures known as bisexuals! Heheh.
You said I can't change who I am physically attracted to, but some of the things I am physically attracted to has changed over time. One example, I never thought myself to be attracted to asians, but then after having a good experience with one, I was converted.

We go with what turns us on the most, that's a choice? We can go against our feelings if we wanted. If I had an urge to murder, I still have the choice not to do it, even if I really wanted to.

I do agree though, that preferences are just something we end up liking or not liking, not much we can do about it, besides go against what we enjoy.
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Old 01-03-2009, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, IN
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You said I can't change who I am physically attracted to, but some of the things I am physically attracted to has changed over time. One example, I never thought myself to be attracted to asians, but then after having a good experience with one, I was converted.

We go with what turns us on the most, that's a choice? We can go against our feelings if we wanted. If I had an urge to murder, I still have the choice not to do it, even if I really wanted to.

I do agree though, that preferences are just something we end up liking or not liking, not much we can do about it, besides go against what we enjoy.
Attraction to particular ethnicities is completely different to attraction to a particular sex. Again, as I've said, numerous peer-reviewed genetic and biological scientific studies have identified genetic and biological causes of homosexuality, indicating that it beyond simple preference and rather that it is hardwired into our brains. Sure, ones attractions change over time; when I was 16 I thought other 16 year olds were far hotter than anyone in their 20s, now that I'm 24 I think that people in their 20s are far hotter than people in different age groups. However, my preferences fluxuate but always remain fixated on people of a particular gender. Preferences can change, sexual orientation can't.
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Old 01-03-2009, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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You said I can't change who I am physically attracted to, but some of the things I am physically attracted to has changed over time. One example, I never thought myself to be attracted to asians, but then after having a good experience with one, I was converted.

We go with what turns us on the most, that's a choice? We can go against our feelings if we wanted. If I had an urge to murder, I still have the choice not to do it, even if I really wanted to.

I do agree though, that preferences are just something we end up liking or not liking, not much we can do about it, besides go against what we enjoy.
Okay since it is that easy...are you cute? Prove to the class the sexual orientation is like "a preference for asians" If you're cute make out with me RIGHT NOW!
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Old 01-03-2009, 02:51 PM
 
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No, you're just making it seem complicated. There is no choice when it comes to who you are physically attracted to, which is what the debate is all about. As a gay man I am physically attracted to guys but when I look at a girl, no matter how beautiful she is, I experience absolutely zero sexual desire, not a peep from down there if you get my drift. Who I am attracted to is something I have no control over; a little chemical reaction goes off in my mind and that's all there is to it.
I agree strongly with this. I love looking at beautiful women. I'll admit that I've often shown a bias in favor of them in social and business situations, I'm often nicer to them, etc. - all of the things that a straight guy probably feels when he's around an attractive woman. But then there's that chemical reaction that usually occurs in most men that makes them aroused. It's not there for me. Figuring out why it's there for most guys but not there for some of us is complicated; but the fact that arousal either does takes place or doesn't take place is not complicated at all.
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Old 01-03-2009, 03:24 PM
 
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I really don't agree. I think being gay is a product of a number of factors, just like various other sexual tastes. I don't think you have a choice about it, but I do think that there are both gay and straight people who might have gone the other way, if their life experiences had led them that way.

bingo bingo bingo--you hit the nail right on the head.
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