Compared To Carter, Bush Rocked! (soldier, statistics, Clinton, Kennedy)

[odanny]

Originally Posted by musicwriter

this is all crap. I don't know every single fact, but from what i can recall as i was growing up, each president, regardless of party affiliation was worse than the previous one. So what i am saying is that it doesn't matter what party is in charge, SOMETHING will get worse, and whatever didn't necessarily get worse will not get better, and they hand it off to the next person, and the problems just keep getting worse until they are beyond fixing.

How can you say that? Are you using todays economy with that of 1929 as your basis for this cop out?

Things can always get BETTER, they ALWAYS got WORSE under the past 8 years of Republican rule.

We now have to work hard to FIX more than just a broken economy, we now have a BROKEN WORLD, thanks to the neocon-artists.

[bryan61]

Things got much better for me. Alot of that was due to my effort and sacrifice.

Sorry about your life

[sweetclimber]

Originally Posted by odanny

How can you say that? Are you using todays economy with that of 1929 as your basis for this cop out?

Things can always get BETTER, they ALWAYS got WORSE under the past 8 years of Republican rule.

We now have to work hard to FIX more than just a broken economy, we now have a BROKEN WORLD, thanks to the neocon-artists.

Things got better under Reagan especially after the economic disaster Carter left America with. Last time I checked, Reagan was Republican. Bush is not a true conservative, he is more of a socialist as witnessed by the bailouts. If the Rep. party had put a true conservative up for election Obama would not have been elected. You have to remember that what got Obama elected wasn't his brilliance, but rather the incompetence of the Rep. party lately.

[sweetclimber]

Originally Posted by bryan61

Things got much better for me. Alot of that was due to my effort and sacrifice.

Sorry about your life

That is just what I was thinking. I have made my life better too. I did so by not feeling sorry for myself, expecting handouts and whining like alot of Liberals have been doing. My hats off to you sir for your hard work as well!

[fatchance2005]

Originally Posted by momonkey

Since different people see things in different ways, I wanted to look at some objective criteria for determining who is actually the worst POTUS before expressing my personal opinion on the matter. Economic considerations are typically cited as one of the main reasons, along with the Iraq war and it's conduct, that lead many people to express the opinion that GWB is hands down the worst in history. Being Middle-aged, I experienced first-hand the dark days of the Carter Administration and the blunder fest he started in 1976. I suspect that younger people, through no fault of their own, have failed to understand his impact on our status in the world and to give him the credit he so richly deserves for setting in play the circumstances that have caused numerous unnecessary wars and the economic debacle that plagued the first years of the Reagan Administration.

First the wars. In 1979, then President Carter had a two week window in which to install a new government in Iran. But he lacked resolve and the opportunity fell by the wayside.

"Brzezinski still advocated a U.S. invasion to stabilize Iran. President Carter could not decide how to appropriately use force and opposed a U.S. coup."
Zbigniew Brzezinski - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

To those of you who lived through those years, "could not decide" and "Carter" being used in the same sentence should inspire an anxiety laden trip down a dark, dark memory lane. When Iran fell into the hands of Islamic terrorists, the US lost a critically important military ally. The Soviets were so thrilled at the site of Carters indecision and inaction that they invaded Afghanistan just a quick as they could assemble troops. The light was green and they were going (two million persons died in that war).

Had Carter followed the advice of his National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski, the Soviet Union would have thought long and hard about invading a nation neighboring a US ally and would have most likely stayed out, no Afghan/USSR War and no 9/11. The Iran/Iraq War would have never happened (1.2 million persons died in that war). Iraq would have never invaded Kuwait, no first Iraq War and no second Iraq War. The twin towers would still be standing with no post 9/11 trauma leading to the economic downturn that followed. Carter thinking he could negotiate with Islamic terrorist lead to several unnecessary wars and a totalitarian Islamo-fascist theocratic terrorist state that executes minors and religious converts and is presently building nuclear weapons to use against Israel and the US.

Then their's the economy. Here's the link for the historical Misery Index.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misery_index_(economics)

Carter holds the record for both the highest peak value and average over his entire presidency. GWB does quite a bit better that that. Reagan's numbers aren't that great, but remember, he inherited the Carter-nomics, stag-flation economy of Carter. Clinton fans should note that his highest rating comes before the Republican Revolution and his lowest rating comes after. Also keep in mind that the reforms that Newt Gingrich initiated were fought against by the White House tooth and Nail until they worked. Then Slick Willie shamelessly took credit for the effects of the Republican reforms that he opposed. Remember that the Federal government was shut down twice while the Republicans forced Clinton to agree to the spending cuts that went along with the tax cuts.

In December of 1980, we had 21.5% Prime Interest rates which basically meant that you couldn't borrow a nickel with a quarter for collateral. Every segment of the economy was crushed by these interest rates.

Prime Rate History

Reagan saw a 10.8 unemployment rate late in 1982. Since, unemployment is a lagging indicator and Carter had us employed through make-work programs during his tenure, Carter's unemployment numbers appear lower than was actually the case.

U.S. Unemployment Rate: SA, Percent

Consumer confidence tanked late in 1993 after America realized that Clinton and the Democratically controlled Congress had no intentions of keeping Clinton's promise of lowering taxes. In fact, people making as little as $20K/yr had their income tax rate increased from 11% to 15% (a 36% increase) by a reneging Clinton. They hit their highest levels after the government shut-down of 1996 that resulted in Clinton being made to eat his lunch by Speaker Gingrich. Yes, those were good years.

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/data/UMCSENT.txt

This is pretty much your usual drool, but I have to ask, do you hate everyone, or just the person standing in front of you? I had assumed you were a middle-schooler with fantasies of one day getting laid. If you are middle aged as you say, you need serious help from the mental health community. Anyone who can distort his own perception of reality as much as you do simply to support your torrents of mindless hate is at risk, and so are those around him.

[lostdestroyedlife]

Bush was a failure, Carter got a bad rap because he had to face the mess of Vietnam/Nixon/FOrd as well as a huge Oil Embargo which was the main reason for the bad economy

Carter did some good, he put alot of policies to try and get us off our dependency on foriegn oil as well as looking for alternate energy sources, all these were scrapped by Reagan as he looked to cut anything that wasnt profitable for his corporate/war mongering friends

Reagan/Bush/Bush has been the Curse of the United States, Carter gets a bad rap because it is the GOP policy to blame everything on the Democrats


if you are an oil profiteers or a war profiteer or an otherwise corrupt fellow, then I apologize and you probably liked the Reagan/Bush/Bush presidencys

[lamexican]

What is the point of this thread! Is it GOP diehards trying to say a Democrats are worse at handling the economy than Republicans? I'm sorry I don't understand the point! Compared to Hoover Carter rocked! I hope you get my point!

[saganista]

As <fatchance2005> has pointed out, this thread offers a repeat of the same concocted balderdash that the same incurious poster has already seen debunked time and time again. Those who propose a 6,000-year old earth have better evidence in support of their claims than the OP in this case does...

[momonkey]

Originally Posted by bryan61

Nothing was wrong with America until dubya took office. Everything will be OK once he has gone. All the evil in the world is a result of his Presidency. The planet exists in a vaccuum, events prior to the year 2000 and after 2008 had no effect on this time frame.

Dont you read the political forums at CD?

Nice job seeing through the smoke screen of the totally biased right wing mainstream media!

[momonkey]

Originally Posted by odanny

True leadership, the kind that not only gets ignored, but gets mocked.

ALL Presidents have had right wing nutjobs wanting to bomb into submission anyone that crosses this country, and sadly, we have had weak, ineffectual and completely inept Presidents who listen to them.

Fortunately for AMERICA, none have been worse than George W. Bush, and may history never provide anything close again

Had Carter installed a new government in Iran, we would have never had a second Iraq War.