Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 01-15-2009, 03:39 PM
 
Location: MIA
1,344 posts, read 3,601,230 times
Reputation: 570

Advertisements

What about the LA riots? Wasn't the destruction of the Korean businesses that dominate the African American retail sector in LA a reflection of black dismay at their own failures? For example, not owning any of the businesses in their own neighborhoods? It would be bad enough if these businesses were owned by white Americans, but "immigrant Asians" escalated black dismay at their own failures to a whole other level.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 04-27-2011, 02:39 AM
 
Location: Toronto
348 posts, read 636,046 times
Reputation: 270
Quote:
Originally Posted by macmeal View Post
Not sure how these business break down. I do know that in South Central LA, periodic demands go out to "limit" the number of liquor stores....or to refuse licenses for those who want to open a new one, in the 'interests of the community'.

On the other hand, any legal business that's doing well, PROBABLY is doing so because of customer demand.

Sounds like rural native villages in Alaska....many of these places have horrendous alcohol problems..violence, rape, murder, etc. Finally the 'elders' will vote to 'go dry'...and no more alcohol is allowed...even to be carried in from elsewhere. This goes on for a year or so, until "thirst" takes over, the vote is made to allow alcohol again, and it's 'back to square one'. Alcohol, then violence and mayhem...then another "dry" vote..etc etc etc.
Just reminded me of when I was studying the growth of Prairie settlements in Western Canada. While the Ukrainian homesteaders were plotting their rural village they voted that they didn't want "the Jew" in their community.

At first I was shocked by this overt "racism", but when I read about how in the old country Jews were usually the innkeepers who ran the village bars, extended credit (often for booze)....then the full picture came together. No booze, fewer debts, less alcoholism, fewer dysfunctional families, less abuse....more $$$$$...and who knows, perhaps less anti-Semitism.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-27-2011, 02:53 AM
 
Location: Toronto
348 posts, read 636,046 times
Reputation: 270
Quote:
Originally Posted by cuba libre View Post
What about the LA riots? Wasn't the destruction of the Korean businesses that dominate the African American retail sector in LA a reflection of black dismay at their own failures? For example, not owning any of the businesses in their own neighborhoods? It would be bad enough if these businesses were owned by white Americans, but "immigrant Asians" escalated black dismay at their own failures to a whole other level.
It's very easy to fix that problem.
Divert the war in Afghanistan and Iraq to the US and proceed with a real, effective and domestic war on drugs and addiction, illiteracy, dysfunction, malnutrition.

It make take more than one generation to teach Black men that "wife is FOR LIFE" (a whole lot of Whites can use some of that preachin') but eventually that investment should pay for itself in multiple ways.
Call it what you want, but you basically need to BRAINWASH a couple of generations of men (and women) to make family life both financially and socially desirable and cool (as in chic).

It's high time that the government got out of the business of helping to raise other people's kids.

What do you think about government financed and owned businesses employing Section 8 recipients in back-to-work programs?

The problem with poverty combined with single motherhood is that the working minimum wage is too low and the daycare costs are too high.
Either way she goes, that woman is risking the future of her children. If she leaves them alone and opts to work 2 jobs so that she can raise them without any gov't help, she risks having the street stand in as her extended family and the kids' part time parent while she's absent.
With the economy as it is, it's not easy to get a job, and it's even harder when your potential employer finds out that you've got kids at home.

Just to let you know, in Quebec, Canada, the government offers subsidized daycare for ALL families. Rich and poor. $7- Seven per day, per child. Regardless of the age of the child of the income of the parent.

This help combined with the child tax benefit given out by the federal and provincial governments (it's around $375 total per child in Ontario and decreases as the income increases) for low income families, makes it possible for people to survive while working on minimum wage. Btw. they also get excellent free public healthcare....and subsidized or free drugs.

The result is a more functional and socially mobile lower class, less crime, more educated people overall.
In Canada, it's not unusual to see poor single mothers sending their kids off to top universities.

Last edited by SadieMirsade; 04-27-2011 at 03:09 AM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-27-2011, 03:11 AM
 
Location: Terra firma
1,372 posts, read 1,544,844 times
Reputation: 1122
Quote:
Originally Posted by Motion View Post
^
One big problem with Black America is that socialist/marxist thinking is fairly prevelant within our group.

Many black leaders,influential Black intellectuals and conscious rappers are anti-capitalism. So in order for Black Americans to use capitalism or the free enterprise system as a path to economic development we will first have to overcome the very socialistic leanings of influential Black leaders and intellectuals who keep focusing on gov't wealth redistribution as the cure all for every Black ailment.
Quote:
Originally Posted by cuba libre View Post
What about the LA riots? Wasn't the destruction of the Korean businesses that dominate the African American retail sector in LA a reflection of black dismay at their own failures? For example, not owning any of the businesses in their own neighborhoods? It would be bad enough if these businesses were owned by white Americans, but "immigrant Asians" escalated black dismay at their own failures to a whole other level.
Bingo... but good luck getting them to recognize and admit their own failures and self defeating attitudes.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-28-2011, 04:46 PM
 
33,016 posts, read 27,344,631 times
Reputation: 9074
Quote:
Originally Posted by macmeal View Post
This very syndrome was mentioned some years ago in an article I read....wish I could remember where. It was specifically about young people, and how one young 'inner city' kid would get a fast-food job, and immediately the place would fill up with 'buddies'. Everyone would expect 'freebies', extra servings, etc....and when the employee had to say 'no', he was given the 'cold shoulder', accused of being 'stuck up' etc. Some kids got so upset they quit the job in a few days.

Some were even 'hit on' for loans, since 'you're making money, and I'm not'...and again, you either 'paid up'....or found yourself 'shut out' of the old circle of friends.

In the culture of poverty, because resources are scarce, people have a sense that resources are communal, so if one person 'needs' something (new shoes, rent money, whatever) and one of their friends has it (the cash value), a sense of obligation is put on the person with the money.

So it's easy for some people to decide that a job - even and perhaps especially one in a fast food joint - isn't worth getting hit up by all thewir friends.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-28-2011, 04:51 PM
 
57,022 posts, read 35,049,916 times
Reputation: 18824
Why does that matter?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-28-2011, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
17,531 posts, read 24,624,539 times
Reputation: 9975
Wouldn't it be better to ask why Suoer Markets and Big Box Stores avoid these neighborhoods
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-28-2011, 04:58 PM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere Arkansas
3,325 posts, read 3,160,745 times
Reputation: 1015
Quote:
Originally Posted by blank check View Post
Think LA, NYC, and to an extent, every other major city in the country...This OP is no trick question, and has no triggers. Just a question.
Hard work?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-28-2011, 05:10 PM
 
33,016 posts, read 27,344,631 times
Reputation: 9074
Quote:
Originally Posted by macmeal View Post
True....and it's all tied together in a little-known "secret"....that once you've shown determination, willingness to work long hours, turned a deaf ear to any 'racial slights', and have taken a few risks...PRESTO, most of the "racial slights" go away.

After all the things you've mentioned above, anyone who wants to direct "racial slights" against Asians is going to have to dig pretty deep...in fact, they'd probably look foolish THEMSELVES. Pretty hard to come up with any "dirt" on those who've done so well. Might be a good time to look at your OWN situation, and see if there's any lesson to be learned.

Good point.

There's also a lot to be said for access to capital.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-28-2011, 05:16 PM
 
33,016 posts, read 27,344,631 times
Reputation: 9074
Quote:
Originally Posted by Majordomo View Post
Actually, the prices reflect their losses. In the real world people steal from the register and the shelves. The slightly higher prices make up for revenue lost to theft. It's only acceptable to operate a business that doesn't cover its own costs up to a certain point. If people want cheaper goods they should "rise up" to help prevent theft in their community.

Also, a lot of smaller stores pay insanely high 'wholesale' prices for their goods. I worked in a convenience store where the prices we paid were comparable to what one would pay at a good supermarket. While we charged an arm and a leg, our costs didn't leave a lot of profit.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top