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Water is poured down the nose, making the criminal believe that he is drowning, yet he can not drown, as a matter of fact no damage is even done to his nasal passages. That being said, the fear that they are drowning compels them to sing like songbirds, in order for their captor to stop.
How is this torture? I'd like this to be a civil discussion and not devolve calling people Nazis and such; just a spirited discussion on how and why they do or don't consider water boarding torture when no harm is done.
Oh don't tell us....the Bush Administration and those that were doing the torturing told you that....LOL
That's your proof.
The proof is in the attacks and cells that were disrupted, all their fellow terrorists that were captured/killed.
It is indisputable that they sang pertinent, important information that saved lives. Of course, we don't hear much about all those covert operations going on around the world and all the attacks that were diverted based on the information they gave up. And you leftists try to use that to discount the truth.
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Reagan apologized for this. Apologies usually imply you won't repeat the action.
Reagan? I guess you flunked out of history, right? I wasn't referring to Reagan and I have no idea what you're talking about. Another "history" lesson courtesy of Left-wing academia?
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Truman made a difficult decision, but notice that Americans were supportive of it. Might've taught the slimy politician calling himself President a thing or two.
Well, by golly! Over 70% of the American people approved of bush invading Iraq. Let me guess - you had no idea?
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Precision bombs were hard to come by back then.
It had nothing to do with precision bombs. Targeting civilians, destroying cities was a clear tactical goal. See what the left (or not) has taught our children.
The proof is in the attacks and cells that were disrupted, all their fellow terrorists that were captured/killed.
It is indisputable that they sang pertinent, important information that saved lives. Of course, we don't hear much about all those covert operations going on around the world and all the attacks that were diverted based on the information they gave up. And you leftists try to use that to discount the truth.
You have no knowledge of what transpired. You don't know what would have happened if they were not subjected to torture. You don't know if the info was critical or not.
But there are plenty of ex-Military around that say torture info is almost useless and torturing makes things worse for our troops.
Only a sociopath/sadist such as yourself would argue that torture is good policy.
Water is poured down the nose, making the criminal believe that he is drowning, yet he can not drown, as a matter of fact no damage is even done to his nasal passages. That being said, the fear that they are drowning compels them to sing like songbirds, in order for their captor to stop.
How is this torture? I'd like this to be a civil discussion and not devolve calling people Nazis and such; just a spirited discussion on how and why they do or don't consider water boarding torture when no harm is done.
waterboarding is torture, I think we should have just put 15-20 terrorists into a C130 and pushed them out 1 terrorist at a time until they told us what we wanted to know. I figure after 3-4 going out the door of a C130 at 10k feet over the Pacific ocean, we would find out a whole lot of information.
The proof is in the attacks and cells that were disrupted, all their fellow terrorists that were captured/killed.
Many other things went on then too, not just waterboarding. You have no idea what technique worked. Maybe waterboarding actually hindered the process. Maybe KM would've given false info just for the torturers to stop. You know they're trained in this sort of thing, to give false info that's hard or impossible to verify.
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It is indisputable that they sang pertinent, important information that saved lives. Of course, we don't hear much about all those covert operations going on around the world and all the attacks that were diverted based on the information they gave up. And you leftists try to use that to discount the truth.
For someone who supposedly claims to be conservative, you sure do believe the gubmint an awful lot. Maybe it's because you hear something that you want to hear.
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Reagan? I guess you flunked out of history, right? I wasn't referring to Reagan and I have no idea what you're talking about. Another "history" lesson courtesy of Left-wing academia?
Reagan publicly apologized for the actions of America to intern Japs.
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Well, by golly! Over 70% of the American people approved of bush invading Iraq. Let me guess - you had no idea?
Well, if we found out after we bombed the Japs they weren't responsible for Pearl Harbor, I guess we'd have some explaining to do, huh?
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It had nothing to do with precision bombs. Targeting civilians, destroying cities was clear strategic goal. See what the left (or not) has taught our children.
America knew that Hitler could care less about the Germans. We bombed industrial centers. Unfortunately for the citizens, they lived in the same cities.
The proof is in the attacks and cells that were disrupted, all their fellow terrorists that were captured/killed.
It is indisputable that they sang pertinent, important information that saved lives. Of course, we don't hear much about all those covert operations going on around the world and all the attacks that were diverted based on the information they gave up. And you leftists try to use that to discount the truth.
You have no knowledge of what transpired. You don't know what would have happened if they were not subjected to torture. You don't know if the info was critical or not.
But there are plenty of ex-Military around that say torture info is almost useless and torturing makes things worse for our troops.
Only a sociopath/sadist such as yourself would argue that torture is good policy.
sanrene has got to think of Americans as wussies for complaining about Japs waterboarding in ww2.
3 cases? You mean in one afternoon, right? I have heard the testimony of many people who were tortured in this manner solely to extract confessions to things they hadn't done. They were just ordinary citizens going about their business who were picked up in sweeps. In all of those cases "waterboarding" was done in conjunction with other forms of torture, and the individual suffered permanent physical injuries.
Yes - 3 times it was used - all three on AQ high-level leadership. Khalid was one of them.
How about providing links to some of that testimony by those who were tortured.
They used to do this to the Viet Cong a little different way. Put a rubber tube in through the nose, attach a funnel. Pour gallons and gallons of water down the tube. Very close to the same setup. It can kill, or cause serious pulmonary edema. Its hard to believe one human being can do something like this to another. Even harder when you consider the guilt or innoc4ence of the person is unknown at that point. Bush sent one of his crackerjack lawyers to Guantanamo to give the guards there your speil. He asked them to try it on him so he could demonstrate it's benign nature. He lasted less that a minute. He withdrew his support of "enhanced interrogation", and resigned his post. So they have a vacancy if this sort of thing appeals to you.
They were waterboarding Taliban caught fighting American soldiers. Do you support the Taliban?
waterboarding is torture, I think we should have just put 15-20 terrorists into a C130 and pushed them out 1 terrorist at a time until they told us what we wanted to know. I figure after 3-4 going out the door of a C130 at 10k feet over the Pacific ocean, we would find out a whole lot of information.
My you're awfully brave there at your keyboard spouting off about what you would do to the suspected terrorists...LOL
Only the most bravest, patriotic Americans such as yourself would advocate for actual War Crimes and murder in defense of the USA.
You must really love what the USA stands for.
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