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Old 01-18-2009, 01:53 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Invisible hand of the free market. (no rationalization needed)
Absolutely!
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Old 01-18-2009, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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What great difference does it make to my position if we are .2% from the #1 position?
It makes us... NOT the "most". And if 0.27% (2007) isn't a big deal, Germany is right behind the USA (at third) by that same "negligible" amount.

Anyway, the point was to prove that we're "not alone", and certainly there are capitalistic societies out there where we're.

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I am more than willing to criticize either party if they do something stupid.
I would see it if you didn't use something that has long existed to criticize the package (which we know little about at this time). May be it will involve what you want, but with conditions... necessary to ensure that corporations don't take us for a ride.

Your argument would be more credible, if you weren't partisan in your rhetoric.

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I never said it was corporate taxes alone. I specifically said that each decision is made with a cost versus benefit analysis. The more it costs to do business over here, the more we're stacking the deck against companies making these decisions.
Of course! And that is why I asked the question: Why would corporations come back here at lower taxes if they can get away with NONE? You haven't given me your take on that.

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I am pretty certain that many businesses have some sort of calculation that tells them that at X tax level, they need to outsource Y jobs. At X-5% taxation, they only need to outsource Y-5% of their jobs.
If it were that simple, why didn't we see it used, in the 1980s, and now? Got a real example?

We're at 40% tax rate. What would be good "point" to see what you think you will see? How does it affect the overall picture?
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Old 01-18-2009, 02:00 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Then, why didn't companies return, in the 1980s and in this decade? Why is it that liberal governance is expected by conservatives to do what conservatives themselves haven't done? Walking the talk would be nice for a change.
We haven't had any conservatives in any position of power in this decade or the last. How could they possibly do anything?

What we have had are a lot of Republicans who think and act exactly like Democrats, but maybe slightly more to the right (not much, though).

There are few true conservatives in Congress.
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Old 01-18-2009, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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We haven't had any conservatives in any position of power in this decade or the last. How could they possibly do anything?

What we have had are a lot of Republicans who think and act exactly like Democrats, but maybe slightly more to the right (not much, though).

There are few true conservatives in Congress.
Let us start here: When was the last time we had a conservative administration?
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Old 01-18-2009, 03:54 PM
 
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It makes us... NOT the "most". And if 0.27% (2007) isn't a big deal, Germany is right behind the USA (at third) by that same "negligible" amount.
Ok, so Germany is right behind us...but they're coming down...they were above 50% just a few years ago.

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I would see it if you didn't use something that has long existed to criticize the package (which we know little about at this time). May be it will involve what you want, but with conditions... necessary to ensure that corporations don't take us for a ride.

Your argument would be more credible, if you weren't partisan in your rhetoric.
lol, I'm the last one you should be accusing of partisan rhetoric. I've been pissed at the Republicans quite a bit and have not hidden it here, or anywhere else.

I've advocated dropping corporate taxes for a long time and have wanted to see something happen on it, regardless of who's in power. Would have been nice to have seen it before now, but this is a perfect opportunity.

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Of course! And that is why I asked the question: Why would corporations come back here at lower taxes if they can get away with NONE? You haven't given me your take on that.
Um...I did. Twice now. Go back and look, cause I don't want to type it out again.


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If it were that simple, why didn't we see it used, in the 1980s, and now? Got a real example?

We're at 40% tax rate. What would be good "point" to see what you think you will see? How does it affect the overall picture?
The lower the better. As I said, there are more benefits other than just bringing jobs back home.

I don't know why we haven't seen it, but how does that affect anything?
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