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Old 01-17-2009, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Peter Beinart - Admit It: The Surge Worked - washingtonpost.com

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But if Iraq overall represents a massive stain on Bush's record, his decision to increase America's troop presence in late 2006 now looks like his finest hour. Given the mood in Washington and the country as a whole, it would have been far easier to do the opposite. Politically, Bush took the path of most resistance. He endured an avalanche of scorn, and now he has been vindicated. He was not only right; he was courageous.

It's time for Democrats to say so. During the campaign they rarely did for fear of jeopardizing Barack Obama's chances of winning the presidency. But today, the hesitation is less tactical than emotional. Most Democrats think Bush has been an atrocious president, and they want to usher him out of office with the jeers he so richly deserves. Even if they suspect, in their heart of hearts, that he was right about the surge, they don't want to give him the satisfaction.
Some will never, ever be able to admit the truth. Of course, once Obama is in office they will find a way to celebrate the success by trying to give the credit to obama. This is virtually guaranteed.

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Old 01-17-2009, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Everybody is going to hurt you, you just gotta find the ones worth suffering for-B Marley
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For some people--Bush haters and other hate-mongers--it's just not possible penetrate their brains four walls of hate.
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Old 01-17-2009, 10:06 AM
 
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Yes it did!
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Old 01-17-2009, 10:07 AM
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For some people--Bush haters and other hate-mongers--it's just not possible penetrate their brains four walls of hate.


As it's also seemingly impossible for tunnel-visioned ideologues to understand that success in correcting poor initial planning of a needless war of choice is hardly Nobel Prize worthy.
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Old 01-17-2009, 10:15 AM
 
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As it's also seemingly impossible for tunnel-visioned ideologues to understand that success in correcting poor initial planning of a needless war of choice is hardly Nobel Prize worthy.
Nobel prizes are given out or bought to anyone these days ,................
Just ask Gore
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Old 01-17-2009, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Just ask Gore
Or that fool, Carter.
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Old 01-17-2009, 10:32 AM
 
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Is the surge solely responsible for the turnaround? Of course not. Al-Qaeda alienated the Sunni tribes; Moqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi Army decided to stand down; the United States assassinated key insurgent and militia leaders, all of which mattered as much if not more than the increase in U.S. troops. And the decline in violence isn't necessarily permanent. Iraq watchers warn that communal distrust remains high; if someone strikes a match, civil war could again rage out of control.

Things are so bad for the Bushies that THIS is what they have to stoop to in order to claim that something...anything...actually worked. As for all the stuff that didn't work, well....
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Old 01-17-2009, 10:37 AM
 
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I guess they had to get one thing right after screwing everything else up, eh?

I would agree with the article though, the next administration needs to avoid the hubris that plagued the previous one.

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Old 01-17-2009, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Charleston, WV
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Peter Beinart - Admit It: The Surge Worked - washingtonpost.com



Some will never, ever be able to admit the truth. Of course, once Obama is in office they will find a way to celebrate the success by trying to give the credit to obama. This is virtually guaranteed.
Article and your comments .... sooooooo true!
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Old 01-17-2009, 11:20 AM
 
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Peter Beinart has a pro-israel viewpoint, as does the OP. Beinart is part of the Israel Lobby as is his boss who owns the New Republic: Marty Peretz.

Beinart is a "liberal hawk" and we'll see that these indivduals will be no different under Obama than the Neocon versions were under Bush/McCain.

Beinart and Peretz are not liberals when it comes to israel, in that case he's far right-wing.
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