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View Poll Results: Did the re-election of George W. Bush make you want to leave the U.S.? If so, for which country?
Canada 13 36.11%
Some other country 23 63.89%
Voters: 36. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-13-2007, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Near Charlotte, NC
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People have many different reasons for moving, and often it is a combination of factors that drive them away. I've known people who have left who have cited both the negative effects of illegal administration AND the Bush administration in their decisions to leave.
So you can't blame everything that happens on President Bush - Thanks for being honest
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Old 03-13-2007, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Earth
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So you can't blame everything that happens on President Bush - Thanks for being honest
I meant "illegal immigration" not "illegal administration" - perhaps a bit of a Freudian slip there.

No, Bush is not responsible for Everything Wrong With The World, but he is unique in the annals of US history for creating the very same crises that he is unable to handle. Pierce and Buchanan didn't create the slavery issue that they were unable to deal with. The Depression would have happened regardless of who was President at the time ; Hoover was inept in handling it (and made things worse by signing the Smoot-Hawley Act of 1930, which made the Depression go worldwide) but he didn't cause it. OTOH, does anyone think there would have been an Iraq war, an erosion of civil liberties, a bungling of Katrina, and a massive loss of US prestige in the world if Gore had been President?
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Old 03-13-2007, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Heartland Florida
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There is nowhere better than the United States. Let's take it back because unless we find another planet to inahbit this is it. Perhaps as the powers that be destroy our economy and overpopulate our land we will become worse off than some other countries but as of now I am staying put.
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Old 03-13-2007, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Near Charlotte, NC
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OTOH, does anyone think there would have been an Iraq war, an erosion of civil liberties, a bungling of Katrina, and a massive loss of US prestige in the world if Gore had been President?
No none of that would have happened if Gore was elected - but we would all be speaking Arabic. His 'lets talk to our enemies' rhetoric would have surely resulted in the U.S. being taken over by radical extremists by now.

And that would have ended all civil liberties

And Katrina would have been handled exactly the same - because the President is not in charge of FEMA, the FEMA Director is.

And the U.S. prestige would be eliminated by the 'holy war' waging inside our borders - instead of in Iraq

There is a reason why Al Gore couldn't carry his own state in the elections!
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Old 03-13-2007, 01:15 PM
 
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I does anyone think there would have been an Iraq war, an erosion of civil liberties, a bungling of Katrina, and a massive loss of US prestige in the world if Gore had been President?
Massive loss of prestige with Gore? YES. Iraq war, no, Gore would have been afraid that defending America might contribute to global warming. Handling of Katrina? Yeah, he would have possibly screwed that up too. Funny how no one recognizes the many hurricanes that Bush handled well, Katrina's failures can be VERY largely blamed on the corruptness of Lousiana as a whole. The biggest problem with Gore would have been his willingness to sign treaties and legislation on global warming that would benefit his interests and those of his buddies who have a large stake in the carbon market.

No one left because Bush was elected, it was all just hot air, which contributed to Al Gore's nightmare of global warming yet he never blames them for temperature increases.
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Old 03-13-2007, 01:17 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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No none of that would have happened if Gore was elected - but we would all be speaking Arabic.
And if that kind of hyperbole was true we'd be giving up speaking Vietnamese to speak Arabic.
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Old 03-13-2007, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Earth
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No none of that would have happened if Gore was elected - but we would all be speaking Arabic. His 'lets talk to our enemies' rhetoric would have surely resulted in the U.S. being taken over by radical extremists by now.

And that would have ended all civil liberties
As if Bush hasn't let radical extremists get into positions of power and influence which has resulted in a loss of civil rights and liberties?

So you think Gore would've done things exactly like Bush?

9/11 would have probably happened regardless of who was in office at the time. (And even if the plotters had been busted beforehand, Al Qaeda would have tried again and eventually they would have had a successful attack). However, the response to it would have been most likely quite different. There certainly would have been a war in Afghanistan, which would have assuredly been handled better as there would be no Iraq war to distract from it under Gore.
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Old 03-13-2007, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Near Charlotte, NC
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As if Bush hasn't let radical extremists get into positions of power and influence which has resulted in a loss of civil rights and liberties?
So ... you think our pre-emptive strike should have happened sooner ... before the radical extremists got into positions of power and influence?

That would have been during the Clinton administration!
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Old 03-13-2007, 01:59 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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So you can't blame everything that happens on President Bush - Thanks for being honest
Who evertried to blame everything on Bush?

I think what really gets people cranked up is:

Al qaeda was responsible for 9/11.

Al qaeda is known to operate in over 40 countries.

We invaded a country with no ties to 9/11 or Al qaeda.

We have many of our assets tied up there and there are so many other places that need our attention.

We were promised that we were going after those responsible for 9/11.
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Old 03-13-2007, 02:16 PM
 
Location: In a room above Mr. Charrington's shop
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BTW Harper is NOT to Clinton's left, he's a Bush clone, the difference between him and GWB is the political realities of Canada holding a check on his right wing ambitions.
Thanks for weighing in on that. I didn't realize Harper was quite so conservative. But it makes sense that the structure Canadian government and society checks him a little. Could be.
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