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Old 01-19-2009, 09:36 PM
 
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Well yeah, that's not really such a surprise. The Union was considered the enemy country - and Lincoln was its President.
Yes but HOW many years ago was the Civil War? These people act as if it were during their lifetimes.
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Old 01-19-2009, 09:37 PM
 
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Yes but HOW many years ago was the Civil War? These people act as if it were during their lifetimes.
Actually, there are some of them that are pretty sure it's still going on.
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Old 01-19-2009, 11:05 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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It never slowed down here in South Carolina.

We'll win yet, now that Sherman's dead.
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Old 01-20-2009, 12:02 AM
 
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Agree.

Lincoln would be embarrassed by the Republican Party of today.
He would be embarrassed by both the Repub, and Demo parties. He would most likely be an Independent--and reform the whole mess. Neither party measures up to Lincoln's "Independent" way of thinking. What made him so great, was that he was a "reformer".and not a slave to Political thinking, as we know it today. It really "irks" me that either Dems, or Repubs, today, claim to be an inheiritor of his way of thinking. If he were alive today, he probably would be far removed from all of them. We have no person now, who is even close to being worthy of being compared to Lincoln.
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Old 01-20-2009, 12:13 AM
 
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How has John Kennedy's policies changed from the Democratic party?
JFK was strong on national defense and was a big time tax cutter.

Yeah, he bumbled the Bay of Pigs thing, but what Democrat today would have even considered doing it? Against their boy Castro? Don't think so. Sounds more like a Bush move, if you ask me.
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Old 01-20-2009, 12:15 AM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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JFK was strong on national defense and was a big time tax cutter.

Yeah, he bumbled the Bay of Pigs thing, but what Democrat today would have even considered doing it? Against their boy Castro? Don't think so. Sounds more like a Bush move, if you ask me.
Exactly. JFK was a fiscal conservative.
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Old 01-20-2009, 12:15 AM
 
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100 years ago, the red states were blue, the blue states red. Lincoln would immediately disassociate himself from the Republican Party, which bears no resemblance to the goals put forth by Lincoln.

It's 2009 and how many blacks feel represented by the Republican party in this country?
Exactly, no one even knows what "red" and "blue" mean anyway. They just follow what their influential role-models are and adapt the titles. Conservative means as limited and small of government as possible. Ron Paul, for example, is more of a conservative than most republicans, but so many people stuck in their own generation of 'neo-conservative' propaganda can't grasp that concept.
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Old 01-20-2009, 12:47 AM
 
Location: Earth
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Exactly. JFK was a fiscal conservative.
The GOP doesn't have much use for fiscal conservatives anymore - the prevailing trend in the GOP seems to be social conservatism combined with fiscal liberalism - i.e. people like Mike Huckabee and Sarah Palin - they used to refer to people with those beliefs as Dixiecrats and the GOP wanted nothing to do with such people. If fiscal conservatism meant anything to the GOP Ron Paul (who is a fiscal conservative and social moderate) wouldn't have been shunned like he was.

JFK today would still be a Dem if he was alive - he wouldn't be in the most liberal wing of the party but he'd fit comfortably in the center of the party, e.g. the Joe Biden types.
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Old 01-20-2009, 01:08 AM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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The GOP doesn't have much use for fiscal conservatives anymore - the prevailing trend in the GOP seems to be social conservatism combined with fiscal liberalism - i.e. people like Mike Huckabee and Sarah Palin - they used to refer to people with those beliefs as Dixiecrats and the GOP wanted nothing to do with such people. If fiscal conservatism meant anything to the GOP Ron Paul (who is a fiscal conservative and social moderate) wouldn't have been shunned like he was.

JFK today would still be a Dem if he was alive - he wouldn't be in the most liberal wing of the party but he'd fit comfortably in the center of the party, e.g. the Joe Biden types.
Good points.

But I certainly would not put Joe Biden in the center of the party. He is definitely a liberal.
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Old 01-20-2009, 01:17 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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JFK and Lincoln would be Democrats, but because the views of the party's have changes over time saying "liberal" and "conservative" would probably work better.
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