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Old 01-21-2009, 06:03 PM
 
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Hey. The bluer this country gets, the more likely that becomes.
That's a really dangerous assertion, specifically, that Democrats and those on the left are less Christian or less than Christian. Is this what you're implying? Do we really need a religious war on top of all our other national problems? Do you want a country where people have to PROVE their worthiness?
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Old 01-21-2009, 06:22 PM
 
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In professing to know what the flaming atheist left-wring extremists are thinking you're no worse than the people who professed to know what Bush was thinking in regards to his faith.
Um, my analogy was based on their years of statements and actions, not on what I "think or feel." this has to be one of the most ill-informed comebacks I've ever seen on all of city-data. You basically made my arguement for me. lmao!
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Old 01-21-2009, 06:32 PM
 
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So you were troubled.
So you are functionally illiterate. A 7th-grader should be flunked for misconstruing "what becomes troublesome" into "I was troubled".

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Well, millions were inspired -- and I have a feeling Obama was among them.
What skill or training allows you to perceive the thoughts of a person you've never met from 3,000 miles away by watching brief cuts of him on TV? You're in an even lower league than Bill Frist claiming to diagnose Terri Schiavo by studying a videotape. Ludicrous.

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And no judge is going to cozy up to Newdow and his fish-eyed nihilism.
Learn more about either nihilism or Michael Newdow. Maybe study a little law before presuming to pronounce over it also...at least enough to learn the difference between Dred Scott and Plessy v Ferguson...
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Old 01-21-2009, 06:43 PM
 
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Everybody sees things from a different perspective depending on their experiences in life and upbringing and shouldn't have to be someone they aren't just to placate someone else.
There are many religion-claiming folks who are in need of just such a lesson in humility. Religion is an individual matter in this country. Free exercise rights end at the tips of your fingers. Everyone else you see every day has just as much right to his or her beliefs as you have to yours. Keep off the grass.

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Basically a prayer (whether the person praying knows it or not) is just sending positive energy to someone. Quantum physics has proven (although they can't explain how it works really) that this is the case....
Lost me, there. Unless this is some reference to ridiculous "remote prayer" studies that some fundies have touted. Those are bunk...
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Old 01-21-2009, 06:55 PM
 
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Um, my analogy was based on their years of statements and actions, not on what I "think or feel." this has to be one of the most ill-informed comebacks I've ever seen on all of city-data. You basically made my arguement for me. lmao!

For someone that is so religous, you sure make alot of disparaging remarks.
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Old 01-21-2009, 06:57 PM
 
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I don't care that the 10 commandments are listed in my courthouse or that my money says, in god we trust.
There are reasons that you should, whatever your personal religous stance might be. Religious freedom depends entirely, and religious tolerance depends significantly, upon government staying out of the religious picture, save for protecting individual rights. As soon as the state may warrant that THIS is the GOOD religion...THIS is the one that WE think is best, the religious rights of those believing otherwise are compromised. Nothing worthwhile is gained from having the Ten Commandments in any courthouse nor by having In God We Trust on the currency. The only result is that those of the favored faith are told that they are better. All others are told that they don't measure up. Under our laws, none of that is the business of government. They should get out of it.

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Old 01-21-2009, 07:03 PM
 
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It's called Freedom of Religeon. I love to pray in public places.... it pleases God....and pisses off people like yourself!
I see you are an ally of the Flying Imams. Otherwise, you are perfectly welcome to pray in public places. If someone tries to restrain you, call the ACLU. They are very good at dealing with those sorts of people.
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Old 01-21-2009, 07:07 PM
 
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Also, 92% of all American's believe in GOD, with over 82% practicing or believing some form of Judeo Christianity. So yea, it makes sense.
You don't undertstand how your government works, do you. There is no such thing as "majority rules" when it comes to establishment or free exercise issues...
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Old 01-21-2009, 07:14 PM
 
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It's ok with everyone and the media as long as Obama did it - fess up lemmings!
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Old 01-21-2009, 07:16 PM
 
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Doesn't bother me a bit. It's all just pro-forma, standard boiler-plate words to meet people's desire to think the speaker is a respectable guy. The words mean nothing, all politicians do it, like they shake hands and kiss babies.
Individual politicians have an individual right of free exercise that they may use as they see fit. The government has no rights at all. It has only powers. Its powers do not extend into the matter of favoring any particular religion over others or religion over non-religion. Neither do they extend into limiting an individual's free exercise of his or her religion so long as that exercise remains individual. The line between individual politician and government is in this case quite a significant one...
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