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Old 01-24-2009, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Pahoa Hawaii
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I have MS, has not changed my mind one bit about using embryonic stem cells.
Ah, God's will, of course. Enjoy your misery. My mother died of cancer and I'd have moved heaven & earth to save her. As it is, emryo's are just medical waste. We should regard them as one of the things "provided for thee".
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Old 01-24-2009, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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Ah, God's will, of course. Enjoy your misery. My mother died of cancer and I'd have moved heaven & earth to save her. As it is, emryo's are just medical waste. We should regard them as one of the things "provided for thee".
thank you for being so compassionate Stem cells are not the end all be all of medical futures, sure they MAY help, but there are better technologies that are on the forefront of medical testing, such as reverting sperm cells into stem cells, which happened to be a giant breakthrough a couple of months ago. Just because I do not believe that embryonic stem cells should be used, means that I should just roll over and die or give up on life. You sir need to grow a heart, and then maybe you will understand why we value the life however minuscule it is. you do not see me wishing someone harm, nor suffering and I find it quite offsensive that you wish me harm.
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Old 01-24-2009, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Pahoa Hawaii
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I'm not wishing you harm, you seem to be accepting fate without a struggle. Embryonic stem cells may hold the cure. If it's found there will you refuse treatment?
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Old 01-24-2009, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Federal funding was not stopped. Research was not banned.
The only limit was that embryonic stem cell research would have to use existing stem cells. Thats it.
Science has become a joke because of exactly what going on in this thread. People make their opinions based on politics rather than fact. The facts have been posted and ignored on this thread several times.
There IS federal funding for stem cell research. Research has NOT been banned.

I agree that science should be in the hands of scientists but which ones are we talking about?
The science that brought us the Global cooling scare in the 70's?
The science that brought us the Global warming scare in the 90's?
The science that is bringing us global cooling again today?
The science that banned DDT at the cost of millions of lives?
The science that said in the 80's we would run out of fossile fuels by the year 2000?
The science that said by 1996 the majority of people with AIDs would be heterosexual?
The science that can't make up its mind if Pluto's a planet?
The science that gave us cold fusion?
The science that brought us the Y2K fraud?
The science that had to do a study to finally determine that there is more than just a physical difference between men and women?
The science that had to do a study to find out that fat people watch more TV than skinny people?
The science that says eggs are bad, then good, then bad, then good etc.. for you.
The science that said Gilligan couldn't fly with palm fronds tied to his arms?
And so on and so on....

Science and politics are one and the same these days. Liberals try to push their agendas. Conservatives try to push theirs. Anybody that believes a new President will change that is a moron.
Our government is corrupt, science is corrupt and more importantly the media is corrupt. A new President just puts a different face on the same old corruption.
I can't answer all your accusations against science b/c I don't have the infomration to do so, but the Y2K scare was not perpetrated by scientists, but by the media. Most scientists thought it was nutty.
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Old 01-24-2009, 07:37 PM
 
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Sad to see "science" reduced to a political buzzword that now really means socialist spending for the greater glory of... government...
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Old 01-24-2009, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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I'm not wishing you harm, you seem to be accepting fate without a struggle. Embryonic stem cells may hold the cure. If it's found there will you refuse treatment?
I have accepted that I have a disease with NO cure, I have accepted that there are over 300 drugs currently being held up by FDA trials that would greatly improve my outcome in the future. I do accept that many of these drugs can potentially halt progression from coming. I do not accept that stem cells are the ultimate fix all cure for everything that some seem to think it is. And I wont accept a stem cell treatment that I know was created by destroying potentially thousands of lives so my own life will be trouble free. I am sorry that I have a problem and am not selfish enough to accept anything of that sort.
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Old 01-25-2009, 12:37 AM
 
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I can't answer all your accusations against science b/c I don't have the infomration to do so, but the Y2K scare was not perpetrated by scientists, but by the media. Most scientists thought it was nutty.
You are correct. Most scientists did think it was nutty and therein lies the rub. Why was it presented as fact when it wasn't. Why didn't the real scientists let us know the truth? Why has nobody been held accountable?
I wasn't slamming real science I'm slamming pseudo science and the idiot masses inability to tell the difference. Science has become a religion and a religion run wild is a scary thing..
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Old 01-25-2009, 02:27 AM
 
Location: Earth
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Didn't the Pol Pot regime of Cambodia get rid of the intellectuals in its purge?
People on this board support that type of thinking.

This frightens me.

Science is our friend, wear glasses, have a problem with your health?
If you don't believe in science, I would suggest that you refrain from medical help in your life.
Doctors are scientists.

Or is it only when you don't like the results? Or it doesn't play into your religious or political view?
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Old 01-25-2009, 11:26 AM
 
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You are correct. Most scientists did think it was nutty and therein lies the rub. Why was it presented as fact when it wasn't. Why didn't the real scientists let us know the truth? Why has nobody been held accountable?
You couldn't be more full of crap. As one who spent parts of three years helping to identify and correct Y2K vulnerabilties, I can say as an absolute, 100%, first-hand certainty, that you don't know what you are talking about. We got past 1-1-00 without significant systems failures only because thousands of people a lot more sophisticated than you invested countless hours in finding and fixing the flaws that would have resulted in that. Those are the facts. Deal with them...
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Old 01-25-2009, 02:10 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Originally Posted by offthefence View Post
Federal funding was not stopped. Research was not banned.
The only limit was that embryonic stem cell research would have to use existing stem cells. Thats it.
Science has become a joke because of exactly what going on in this thread. People make their opinions based on politics rather than fact. The facts have been posted and ignored on this thread several times.
There IS federal funding for stem cell research. Research has NOT been banned.

I agree that science should be in the hands of scientists but which ones are we talking about?
The science that brought us the Global cooling scare in the 70's?
The science that brought us the Global warming scare in the 90's?
The science that is bringing us global cooling again today?
The science that banned DDT at the cost of millions of lives?
The science that said in the 80's we would run out of fossile fuels by the year 2000?
The science that said by 1996 the majority of people with AIDs would be heterosexual?
The science that can't make up its mind if Pluto's a planet?
The science that gave us cold fusion?
The science that brought us the Y2K fraud?
The science that had to do a study to finally determine that there is more than just a physical difference between men and women?
The science that had to do a study to find out that fat people watch more TV than skinny people?
The science that says eggs are bad, then good, then bad, then good etc.. for you.
The science that said Gilligan couldn't fly with palm fronds tied to his arms?
And so on and so on....

Science and politics are one and the same these days. Liberals try to push their agendas. Conservatives try to push theirs. Anybody that believes a new President will change that is a moron.
Our government is corrupt, science is corrupt and more importantly the media is corrupt. A new President just puts a different face on the same old corruption.
Stupid scientists!

They must all be libs!

If they were as smart as they're always telling everybody they are, then how come they all think evolution is real?

Just look at the kind of stupid stuff they spend our tax dollars studying. Go ahead and make that your kid's science fair project, Mr Wizard.

http://www.consumerist.com/consumer/images/toilet%20snorkel.GIF (broken link)

Stupid Science: Make Ice From Fast Food Toilet Water (http://consumerist.com/consumer/fast-food/stupid-science-make-ice-from-fast-food-toilet-water-155046.php - broken link)
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