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I don't see what's so racist about the lyrics especially Nas's lyrics. Please explain to me sounds like there are just some bitter jealous people on this forum upset about Obama and trying to claim anything a black person says is racism. Also there seems to be a biterness that non white culture is becoming more accepted and some people just cannot handle that. You want to see real racism watch a special about the 50's and 60's on the history channel. Saying that every president up until now has been white hardly counts as racism. LOL Nas hardly counts as a "gangster rapper" and you call them uneducated racist street thugs who should be in jail, whats that all about this is probably how you view most black youth. Why are you focusing on black entertainers go critique some white ones too.
See trying to shift the focus off the subject at hand doesn't work.
And you're making assumptions that just aren't true.
I have no problem with Obama....I have problem with the image that these two in particular projected on this particular night. Why are you trying to take us back to the 50's and 60's? Why are you trying to take the focus of what's being said?
It sounds to me that you really don't have an argument so you're trying to steer the conversation away from the subject at hand.
I think if everything is ever going to be EQUAL in this country or world mind you, if it's ok for a black person to say something it should be ok for a white person to say the same thing without being crucified and called a racist.
Im not a rap fan...at all, but their lyrics are no more hateful then a myriad of the anti Obama or anti McCain posts on this forum....by supposedly intelligent not from the ghetto brainiacs....so I think some perspective is the best way to go, that how I will look at it....and that includes your statements which I fully disagree with, but can respect. The rap "artists" (yes a loose term) have statement in their lyrics, so perhaps we can afford them the same.
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I'm not trying to say they are more hateful. There are more than enough ignorant posts from the anti-obama and anti-mccain/palin crowd. Not all ghetto either ( I hope it didnt come out that way). Some ignorant old white ladies, young rednecks, gays, rich people, poor people, etc.
But this thread was on those rappers...I've commented on other threads when I saw something that, IMO, was ignorant. (hell...ive even amde ignorant comments myself, either trying to be funny or just got heated)
I just think that it was a very inappropriate time and there were much better choices out there (unfortunately those choices dont get the support because their messages are positive)
They were talking about it on tv....what a dis respectful bunch of people and the speech of Obama not to credit Bush more...well Karma will be waiting for him!
I don't see what's so racist about the lyrics especially Nas's lyrics. Please explain to me sounds like there are just some bitter jealous people on this forum upset about Obama and trying to claim anything a black person says is racism. Also there seems to be a biterness that non white culture is becoming more accepted and some people just cannot handle that. You want to see real racism watch a special about the 50's and 60's on the history channel. Saying that every president up until now has been white hardly counts as racism. LOL Nas hardly counts as a "gangster rapper" and you call them uneducated racist street thugs who should be in jail, whats that all about this is probably how you view most black youth. Why are you focusing on black entertainers go critique some white ones too. Neither of these rappers performed at an official ball far as I know so I don't know what all the complaining is about.
I dont believe anyone said the lyrics were racist. Get your facts straight and dont put words in people's mouth.
And as far as seeing all black youth that way...not even a little bit. That's not why I said it. Read their lyrics...they say everything themselves. They are the ones talking about selling coke, carrying guns, locked up, etc. (its what JayZ and Nas did in the past)
So once again..please stop telling people what they said unless you can get it straight.
I would be more than happy to critique white entertainers. Make a thread on here and I will give you my opinion. This thread was about those two songs and how they were inappropriate for that particular day/event.
I dont believe anyone said the lyrics were racist. Get your facts straight and dont put words in people's mouth.
And as far as seeing all black youth that way...not even a little bit. That's not why I said it. Read their lyrics...they say everything themselves. They are the ones talking about selling coke, carrying guns, locked up, etc. (its what JayZ and Nas did in the past)
So once again..please stop telling people what they said unless you can get it straight.
I would be more than happy to critique white entertainers. Make a thread on here and I will give you my opinion. This thread was about those two songs and how they were inappropriate for that particular day/event.
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"It is also my first amendment right to call them uneducated racist street thugs that just happen to have a talent for finding words that rhyme (which made them rich). And if it wasnt for that talent...would be either in jail, dead or still slinging drugs on the street because they are worthless."
Ok you called them racist, based on the above statement that is what I was referring to. I did not see anything in the lyrics that was racist or did not particularly think anything in the lyrics was about gang banging. You bring up their past music I thought this thread is about rap lyrics at the ball? If you want to debate whether rap music is degenerate or negative for the youth (I personally think most of it is) you can but all I was saying is their rap ball lyrics were not racist. I only used the past to give an example of what true racism is, everybody likes to scream out racism about everything these days white and black both. Listen to conservative talk radio a lot of the things they say would be considered racism by some. Real racism consists of being beaten, hung, taken away rights, being called names etc. If you are saying they shouldn't have been picked to perform at the ball because of their past then I can see where you are coming and even agree with you on that. I agree that they could have picked more appropriate rappers but at least they didn't pick the down south thug rappers they are a lot more negative than Nas or Jay-z, but I don't really consider Nas to be much of a negative rapper.
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If you think Nas projected a poor image of African Americans you are insane.
Either that or you didn't listen to the actual lyrics and just figured out how many times they swore. Oh sorry they're black and rapped about how they've felt disenfranchised since forever and are hoping this guy doesn't screw them over.
We need more country singers that have lame and empty "I Love the USA" songs so we can all feel comfortable.
Some of you people need to learn something about other cultures, jesus christ.
"It is also my first amendment right to call them uneducated racist street thugs that just happen to have a talent for finding words that rhyme (which made them rich). And if it wasnt for that talent...would be either in jail, dead or still slinging drugs on the street because they are worthless."
Ok you called them racist, based on the above statement that is what I was referring to. I did not see anything in the lyrics that was racist or did not particularly think anything in the lyrics was about gang banging. You bring up their past music I thought this thread is about rap lyrics at the ball? If you want to debate whether rap music is degenerate or negative for the youth (I personally think most of it is) you can but all I was saying is their rap ball lyrics were not racist. I only used the past to give an example of what true racism is, everybody likes to scream out racism about everything these days white and black both. Listen to conservative talk radio a lot of the things they say would be considered racism by some. Real racism consists of being beaten, hung, taken away rights, being called names etc. If you are saying they shouldn't have been picked to perform at the ball because of their past then I can see where you are coming and even agree with you on that. I agree that they could have picked more appropriate rappers but at least they didn't pick the down south thug rappers they are a lot more negative than Nas or Jay-z, and Nas is not as negative as Jay-Z Nas's music is at least half positive.
I brought up their past/current lyrics because you said I view all black youths as drug-dealing thugs...when all I said was those two claimed thats what they did in the past. And they make their money now by rapping about it. That they would still probably be doing that if they couldnt rhyme.
Everything else I can agree on. I probably just got out of line a little.
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