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Old 01-22-2009, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Baltimore Weather Examiner: Oceans are cooling according to NASA

Oh dear. How will they explain this? Their whole scam is falling apart. Nothing is going the way they have predicted, which exposes them to the fools they are. Of course, they come up with a reason - one that fits the GW-alarmist theories very well - except, it is not how credible scientific research should be conducted.

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Research discovered problems with specific kinds of sensors used for decades in ocean temperature surveys. Older XBT data gave data biased towards warmer temperature readings, while newer Argo floats were biased in the opposite direction.

This leads to another problem, however. Much of the actual ocean temperature data for the past few decades came from these probes; the rest, according to the paper, came primarily from satellite data, ships, and computer models. The NASA paper claims to have pulled out the bad data and corrected for it so that their new data matches the computer models that support global-warming theories.

But is that real, or just an attempt to fit data points into preconceived models? The only direct measurements would have come from ships, and is that really enough to even have a reliable record of ocean temperatures?
Bad data leads to bad conclusions, regardless of whether it matches pre-conceived notions or not.


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John Willis, an oceanographer at NASA's Jet Propulsion Lab, published his first report about the warming oceans. The article Correcting Ocean Cooling (see below) published on NASA's Earth Observatory page this week discussed his and other results. willis used data from1993-2003 that showed the warm-up and followed the Global Warming Theory. In 2006, he co-piloted a follow-up study led by John Lyman at Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory in Seattle that updated the time series for 2003-2005. Surprisingly, the ocean seemed to have cooled. He was surprised, and called it a 'speed bump' on the way to global warming.
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Old 01-22-2009, 05:08 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Thank God! Does this mean we can quit talking about the Global Warming hoax?
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Old 01-22-2009, 05:13 PM
 
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Not as long as scientists are being paid to say otherwise.
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Old 01-22-2009, 05:13 PM
 
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The very scientist responsible for the study you cite had this to say about the cooling.

From your link

" He was surprised, and called it a 'speed bump' on the way to global warming."


[MOD CUT/personal attack] The scientist responsible for the study knows this is not an indicator that Global Warming does not exist.

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Old 01-22-2009, 05:19 PM
 
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From the 2nd study cited in the link. Here is the scientist responsible that study

"Wong's take is that melting arctic ice is responsible for the cooling of the oceans."

That refutes your conclusion as well.

Your own article with link.

Two studies.

One scientists says it's a "speed bump" on the way to Global Warming....the other says it's because the polar ice caps are melting.
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Old 01-22-2009, 05:23 PM
 
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Just like you shouldn't pick the "hockey stick" showed by Al Gore's and broadcast that as the one and only truth, picking this blog and broadcasting it as truth is no better. Science is an accumulation of evidence. The current evidence points to global warming as being a mostly likely existing phenomenon. An open-minded scientist should always remain open to the possiblity of another explanation, but some measurement error is inevitable in such a large area as climate studies. It doesn't mean we throw out the whole theory.
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Old 01-22-2009, 05:23 PM
 
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Ah, what happens when ice melts?

Hah! I wrote that before I found this:

Willis said the findings have significant implications for global sea-level rise. "Average sea level goes up partly due to warming and thermal expansion of the oceans and partly due to runoff from melting glaciers and ice sheets," Willis said. "The recent cooling episode suggests sea level should have actually decreased in the past two years. Despite this, sea level has continued to rise. This may mean that sea level rise has recently shifted from being mostly caused by warming to being dominated by melting. This idea is consistent with recent estimates of ice-mass loss in Antarctica and accelerating ice-mass loss on Greenland."

NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory - News

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Bugs Bunny

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Old 01-22-2009, 05:27 PM
 
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Not as long as scientists are being paid to say otherwise.
what are you talking about?
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Old 01-22-2009, 05:30 PM
 
Location: Austin
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I guess epic amounts of melting ice shelves would warm the oceans.. Just like ice in a glass. LOL.
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Old 01-22-2009, 05:30 PM
 
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