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Old 01-26-2009, 06:19 AM
 
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Default How do Republican policies hurt the Middle Class?

I've heard people on this forum and elsewhere say that the Republicans "wage war on the middle class", that they "only favor the rich" and that non-wealthy Americans "vote against their own interests". As a curious person, I'm just wondering:

How exactly DO Republican policies hurt the middle class? Also, how do Democrat policies help? I look forward to hearing any responses.

Mackinac
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Old 01-26-2009, 06:42 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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The base of the Republican party is the middle class, hence why the Democrats constantly try to break that hold with their rhetoric. No intelligent politician or political party would alienate one of the more influential and essential voter groups in this country. And trust me, if the Republicans had done that, they would never be elected into office anywhere or at any level.

I believe it is on par with the Democrats labeling Republicans as 'bible thumpers' in the same way that Republicans label Democrats as 'moon bat socialists'.
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Old 01-26-2009, 07:14 AM
 
Location: T or C New Mexico
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Default Keyword again

this is the keyword of the day: rhetoric, please remember it.
OP: you've been watching lou dobbs too much.
just trolling, looking to get into trouble todaymutz.
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Old 01-26-2009, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Northeast NJ
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It's not so much that Republican policies directly hurt the middle class, it's just that you see the upper class and the corporations get these tax breaks that they are supposed to use to help create jobs. But then...you see these same corporations use that extra money to send the jobs over seas...or just pocket it so their CEOs can widen their golden parachutes. And then you see these same corporations being bailed out in spite of their failures, and all the lower classes get to watch as the CEOs essentially get awarded millions for failing epically.

So it's not that the policies themselves hurt the middle class...they just lack the regulatory oversight to make sure that the corporations actually use them to help the market.
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Old 01-26-2009, 07:59 AM
 
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It's not so much that Republican policies directly hurt the middle class, it's just that you see the upper class and the corporations get these tax breaks that they are supposed to use to help create jobs. But then...you see these same corporations use that extra money to send the jobs over seas...or just pocket it so their CEOs can widen their golden parachutes. And then you see these same corporations being bailed out in spite of their failures, and all the lower classes get to watch as the CEOs essentially get awarded millions for failing epically.

So it's not that the policies themselves hurt the middle class...they just lack the regulatory oversight to make sure that the corporations actually use them to help the market.
I agree. Having seen now how many nations are now connected at the hip with this economic globalism and who in-fact runs the show.
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Old 01-26-2009, 08:05 AM
 
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It's not so much that Republican policies directly hurt the middle class, it's just that you see the upper class and the corporations get these tax breaks that they are supposed to use to help create jobs. But then...you see these same corporations use that extra money to send the jobs over seas...or just pocket it so their CEOs can widen their golden parachutes. And then you see these same corporations being bailed out in spite of their failures, and all the lower classes get to watch as the CEOs essentially get awarded millions for failing epically.

So it's not that the policies themselves hurt the middle class...they just lack the regulatory oversight to make sure that the corporations actually use them to help the market.
I agree.
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Old 01-26-2009, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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"How do Republican policies hurt the middle class?" Here’s how.

The major cuts in top Income tax rates and capital gains taxes transferred the cost of operating the country to working and middle class tax payers. As these classes did not have enough money for our overseas military adventures and empire building the government borrowed the money from the wealthy, here and abroad, instead of taking it with taxation. The Republicans also discontinued tuition grants to lower and middle class students funded by taxing the wealthy and replaced the grants with loans owned by the wealthy. They also stopped paying for the maintenance of the infrastructure and put the burden on States and Towns funded with sales and property taxes disproportionally paid by the working and middle classes.

These policies were designed and implemented in order to reduce the aggregate wealth of the lower classes and to insure a larger gap in power, exclusivity and privilege for the uber class. They have worked very well.
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Old 01-26-2009, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Lansing Metro
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It's not so much that Republican policies directly hurt the middle class, it's just that you see the upper class and the corporations get these tax breaks that they are supposed to use to help create jobs. But then...you see these same corporations use that extra money to send the jobs over seas...or just pocket it so their CEOs can widen their golden parachutes. And then you see these same corporations being bailed out in spite of their failures, and all the lower classes get to watch as the CEOs essentially get awarded millions for failing epically.

So it's not that the policies themselves hurt the middle class...they just lack the regulatory oversight to make sure that the corporations actually use them to help the market.
Disagree 100%.

If true capitalism is being practiced, the market will weed out wasteful and greedy companies. No need for excessive regulation. When greedy and wasteful companies are bailed out by the federal government, the system is not allowed to work properly.

Unfortunately, along with the great freedom and opportunity of capitalism comes the possibility of market bubbles, recessions and, yes, even depressions. Unfortunately, our government and citizens alike do not have the stomach to allow the market to bottom out and recover naturally.

I find it interesting that our government "safeguard" against depressions, the Federal Reserve, didn't stop this from happening. All of the manipulation of interest rates, etc by Greenspan and now Bernanke did not stop the market from collapsing. All it did was extend the bubble and make things worse in the end.

More government intervention = less prosperity. Period.
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Old 01-26-2009, 08:31 AM
 
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The above post is excellent. Nobody can say that the US experienced a failure of the free market or capitalist system, b/c we never had such a system to begin with. The Government intervened in the market and many of its actions (esp lowering interest rates) played important roles in causing this collapse. The worse things get, the more Government intervenes, making things even worse.
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Old 01-26-2009, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Northeast NJ
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Disagree 100%.

If true capitalism is being practiced, the market will weed out wasteful and greedy companies. No need for excessive regulation. When greedy and wasteful companies are bailed out by the federal government, the system is not allowed to work properly.

Unfortunately, along with the great freedom and opportunity of capitalism comes the possibility of market bubbles, recessions and, yes, even depressions. Unfortunately, our government and citizens alike do not have the stomach to allow the market to bottom out and recover naturally.

I find it interesting that our government "safeguard" against depressions, the Federal Reserve, didn't stop this from happening. All of the manipulation of interest rates, etc by Greenspan and now Bernanke did not stop the market from collapsing. All it did was extend the bubble and make things worse in the end.

More government intervention = less prosperity. Period.
And quite frankly, I don't blame average American citizens for not having the 'stomach' to lose their jobs, their homes, etc. But then again, it happened anyway, so your points have merit in that regard.

And I do agree that, at least in the present and last few months, the more government interferes, the worse things are getting. With bailouts, ideally you'd be able to say "Well, they didn't deserve that, but at least the market's in one piece." However, the truth is more like "Well, they didn't deserve that...AND things are still falling apart."
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