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Old 01-28-2009, 01:12 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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I don't understand why helping states pay public health bills is bad. Clearly doing so helps states avoid making cuts which saves jobs but also it provides a much needed public service which helps decrease unwanted pregnancies (especial teen pregnancies) and that lowers the welfare case load, lowers the teen drop out rate, decreases STD rates, and helps lower crime rates. How is this not a good long term investment?

The truth is Obama should stop trying to make Republicans happy because no matter what he proposes or how much he gives in to their fake outrage they'll still just oppose everything for the sake of opposing it. They're just obstructionists. So why give them anything? Even before Obama took the almost unprecedented step to personally go visit Congressional Republicans in order to build bipartisan solutions the Republican Congressional leadership said they would oppose any bill which they didn't 100% write themselves. That's not bipartisan and it's also retarded given that the American people have soundly rejected their failed policies.

Republicans will not vote for any bill which Obama proposes so just ignore them. Clinton's single best budget was the 1993 budget which not a single Republican voted for but it cut the military budget, closed bases, and raised taxes on the wealthiest thus setting the stage for the massive Clinton budget surpluses. Republicans moaned and whined claiming it would result in a new depression but what followed were 8 years of the strongest and most wide spread prosperity in American history. Just ignore the Republicans and do the right thing because that's what the American people want them to do.
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Old 01-28-2009, 05:27 AM
 
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In the end the stimulis is nothing more than a attempt to pay offf specail interest groups by passing a non-sepcific bill that includes things that could apsss on their own. Its like huge pork fat slush fund. Watch in two years youy will see very few jobs actaully crated but the money will be out there to thsese specail interest.
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Old 01-28-2009, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Originally Posted by Oerdin View Post
I don't understand why helping states pay public health bills is bad. Clearly doing so helps states avoid making cuts which saves jobs but also it provides a much needed public service which helps decrease unwanted pregnancies (especial teen pregnancies) and that lowers the welfare case load, lowers the teen drop out rate, decreases STD rates, and helps lower crime rates. How is this not a good long term investment?
Injecting logic into the discussion - I applaud you

Teen pregnancy rates rose very dramatically over the last eight years, as did rates of STDs. The number of low birth weight babies rose as well. Since low birth rate is directly related to lack of pre-natal care, it is clear to me at least that the previous administration's policies have had an extremely negative effect. It is sad that so many cannot see the connection between reducing access to services and these outcomes.

And yes, I have links

FOXNews.com - Teen Pregnancy Rate Hits 15-Year High - Health News | Current Health News | Medical News
Study Reveals Alarming Higher Rates of STDs among Teenage Girls (http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Study_Reveals_Alarming_Higher_Rates_of_STDs_a mong_Teenage_Girls_15050.html - broken link)
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Old 01-28-2009, 02:03 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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In the end the stimulis is nothing more than a attempt to pay offf specail interest groups by passing a non-sepcific bill that includes things that could apsss on their own. Its like huge pork fat slush fund. Watch in two years youy will see very few jobs actaully crated but the money will be out there to thsese specail interest.
See this is what happens when when a person has very large opinions but very few facts. Less then 10% of the bill is even stuff you claim are "pay offs to special interests" and in fact most of that 10% is actually stuff which is extremely valuable to the general public. For example the public health funds I mentioned in my previous post.

Please, learn something about the subject before you pontificate on the internet about it. Otherwise you just end up looking foolish.
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Old 01-28-2009, 02:23 PM
 
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Why didn't Pelosi herself used enough pills...How many kids does she have? 5 or 7.....
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Old 01-28-2009, 02:25 PM
 
Location: here
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Why didn't Pelosi herself used enough pills...How many kids does she have? 5 or 7.....
And this is relevant because????
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Old 01-28-2009, 06:32 PM
 
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Beginning to sound like all this woman can think of is sex and stimulation. Both of which she appears to be in dire need.
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