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Old 01-28-2009, 02:37 PM
 
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Um, many of our taxes are paid voluntarily.
Really? All I have to tell them is that I don't want to pay taxes and I don't have to?? I guess you better go back to school and think about the word "voluntary" for a minute... voluntary means without consequence, that is why it is voluntary....
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Old 01-28-2009, 03:56 PM
 
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Nothing but a low-brow fallacy of equivocation based on two different meanings of the word "voluntary". The US does in fact have a voluntary system of income taxation, as it is the taxpayer who tells the IRS how much tax he or she owes, rather than the other way around. This is a perfectly ordinary use of the word "voluntary" in that context, but Jan Bozo or whatever wants it to mean "optional".
You have got to be kidding me. Curb the faux intellectualism for a little bit and use your brain once in awhile.
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Old 01-28-2009, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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You have got to be kidding me. Curb the faux intellectualism for a little bit and use your brain once in awhile.
No, it seems that the more arrogant one is, the more self-deluded they are in their own semantic interpretation. Seems fitting.

Apologists tend to massage the truth a bit. You should see the reply concerning the tax cheat who's now Treasury Secretary. I suppose it's merely a coincidence that it was a Democratic pick to hear this apologist talk.

Pretty simple algorithm to follow actually.
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Old 01-28-2009, 04:10 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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What is really idiotic is for the Regressive Republicans to think that no taxes is a realistic stance, given their propensity for warmongering and costly incompetence.

Perpetuating divisiveness is expensive, as the village idiot showed during his disastrous, shameful 8 years at the helm.
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Old 01-28-2009, 04:31 PM
 
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I, for one, am thinking that you're about as dumb as they come. For one thing Geithner is Secretary of the Treasury, not head of the IRS, and more to the point, at least half of the top 5% of income earners in this country are "tax cheats" if Geithner is. It is perfectly common in our voluntary system, for the taxpayer and the IRS to disagree over the actual amount of tax that is owed. Those disagreements are resolved sometimes in favor of the IRS and sometimes in favor of the taxpayer. That's how the system works. No one is a tax cheat for having had the IRS disagree with him or her. I guess you just don't make enough to be in an income bracket where this sort of thing would come into play very often, otherwise you'd have already realized all this from first-hand experience...
Except that "at least half of the top 5% of income earners in this country" did not run for office claiming to be the open, transparent, and ethical alternative to the "corrupt" Republicans. OTOH, The Great Charlatan Obama (and by association Gheitner) did.

As far as I'm concerned, it is the patriotic duty of every free citizen in this country to keep as much money out of the hands of the corrupt, coercive IRS as possible. In my opinion, it is impossible to "cheat" the IRS, just as it is impossible to cheat the mob or any other bunch of common thugs. They in fact are the cheats.

But, if you are going to put yourself out there as the new face of morality and ethics in American Politics, then hire a tax scofflaw as your Treasury Secretary and pretend all is well, that makes you a stinking hypocrite in my book. So what else is new, Obama is a Politician just like the rest. No change there.
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