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Old 03-14-2007, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Bedford County
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Why is it that a Democrat who does wrong is not just wrong but also immoral, a criminal, and a traitor and when a Republican (often these days) does wrong, they are being scape-goated, should be pardoned before sentencing, are being harrassed/villified, are just trying to serve their country, and my favorite, it's a tough job and they need our support. Do no right wingers see the hipocrisy? How is sending more troops to be slaughtered in an immoral war "supporting our troops". I know you can't explain it, but do try.

Bill Clinton's affair with an intern was immoral, but we need to forgive Newt and move on...

Firing the travel office staff was a 'gate' but firing non-political US Attornies is necessary...

Essentially crimes are only crimes when committed by Democrats and immorality is an 'eye of the beholder' issue?
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Old 03-14-2007, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Maine
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Because people are more interested in winning an argument than finding out the truth. Political debate in this country has become a sport, with the only rule being Win At Any Cost.

And yes, Democrats are just as guilty of that as Republicans.
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Old 03-14-2007, 03:00 PM
 
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Ahhh come on, it happens on both sides. Just part of the political game. You can easily change your "why do Republicans who do wrong..." and change a few words and come to the same conclusion.

Just have a good cry and let it all out and you will feel better.
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Old 03-14-2007, 03:00 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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I think you (vademsandi) hit the nail on the head... and I'll leave it at that.

And to Mark, I agree that both sides are guilty of not wanting to lose an argument, but we definitely "fight" in different ways... what vadem said is absolutely dead-on, in my humble opinion, and it's something I've noticed for years. Btw, I'm not actually a Democrat, but do identify as far left-wing.
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Old 03-14-2007, 03:05 PM
 
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Why is it that a Democrat who does wrong is not just wrong but also immoral, a criminal, and a traitor and when a Republican (often these days) does wrong, they are being scape-goated, should be pardoned before sentencing, are being harrassed/villified, are just trying to serve their country, and my favorite, it's a tough job and they need our support. Do no right wingers see the hipocrisy? How is sending more troops to be slaughtered in an immoral war "supporting our troops". I know you can't explain it, but do try.

Bill Clinton's affair with an intern was immoral, but we need to forgive Newt and move on...

Firing the travel office staff was a 'gate' but firing non-political US Attornies is necessary...

Essentially crimes are only crimes when committed by Democrats and immorality is an 'eye of the beholder' issue?
Firstly, Clinton's affair was performed in the White House, on taxpayer time, on taxpayer property.
Secondly, Clinton committed a crime by providing false statements to a civil grand jury.

Newt's was completely in private, but still immoral.
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Old 03-14-2007, 06:12 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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Firstly, Clinton's affair was performed in the White House, on taxpayer time, on taxpayer property.
Secondly, Clinton committed a crime by providing false statements to a civil grand jury.
My opinion? It shouldn't have come before a grand jury in the first place, since it's nobody's business who he "boinks" - whether in office or in private. JFK was famous for having affairs, but didn't face the scrutiny that Clinton did (from what I know). I'm not saying what he did was right, but I don't think it should've been a political issue! And we really can't say he wasted "taxpayer time", since that's just speculation... unless you happen to have a video-log of his activities.
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Old 03-14-2007, 06:24 PM
 
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My opinion? It shouldn't have come before a grand jury in the first place, since it's nobody's business who he "boinks" - whether in office or in private. JFK was famous for having affairs, but didn't face the scrutiny that Clinton did (from what I know). I'm not saying what he did was right, but I don't think it should've been a political issue! And we really can't say he wasted "taxpayer time", since that's just speculation... unless you happen to have a video-log of his activities.
He was brought in front of a grand jury because of Paula Jones' civil lawsuit. This in of itself wasn't a big issue, until he lied to the grand jury. Then, it becomes a crime and he should've been removed from office for committing this crime, IMO.
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Old 03-15-2007, 06:13 AM
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Why is it that a Democrat who does wrong is not just wrong but also immoral, a criminal, and a traitor and when a Republican (often these days) does wrong, they are being scape-goated, should be pardoned before sentencing, are being harrassed/villified, are just trying to serve their country, and my favorite, it's a tough job and they need our support. Do no right wingers see the hipocrisy? How is sending more troops to be slaughtered in an immoral war "supporting our troops". I know you can't explain it, but do try.

Bill Clinton's affair with an intern was immoral, but we need to forgive Newt and move on...

Firing the travel office staff was a 'gate' but firing non-political US Attornies is necessary...

Essentially crimes are only crimes when committed by Democrats and immorality is an 'eye of the beholder' issue?
Because republicans play dirty. Kinda like arguing with women(spouse)....they'll say and do what it takes to win, without any regard to reason and logic. Then they'll blame you for not having any regard of reason and logic. And so on.....
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Old 03-15-2007, 10:34 AM
 
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He was brought in front of a grand jury because of Paula Jones' civil lawsuit. This in of itself wasn't a big issue, until he lied to the grand jury. Then, it becomes a crime and he should've been removed from office for committing this crime, IMO.
I agree completely, however I think you are hitting your head against a brick wall. Some do not want to hear the truth, and can offer no valid argument but just want to justify the offense with things like: it's a private matter etc.
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Old 03-15-2007, 10:59 AM
 
Location: The Bronx
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Allan Drury had one of his characters, in his novel Advise and Consent, comment that the motto of our Republic should be changed from 'e pluribus unum' to 'it all depends on whose ox is gored.'
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