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Old 02-05-2009, 05:08 AM
 
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washingtonpost.com - Time to Play Hardball
Republicans -- short on new ideas, low on votes and deeply unpopular in the polls -- have been winning the media war over the president's central initiative.

They have done so largely by focusing on minor bits of the stimulus that amount, as Obama said in at least two of his network interviews, to "less than 1 percent of the overall package." But Republicans have succeeded in defining the proposal by its least significant parts.

"This plan is a spending plan; it's not a stimulus plan," said Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), ignoring the truth that stimulus plans -- including Republican proposals to put more money into resolving the housing crisis -- by definition include significant new spending.

And Republicans who in one breath say they want more tax cuts declare in the next that they are against the tax cuts Obama has proposed.

Sen. Jon Kyl of Arizona said of Obama's $500 refundable tax credit: "Calling a rebate to people who don't pay income taxes a tax cut doesn't make it a tax cut." Presumably Kyl doesn't consider as taxes the payroll taxes (or, for that matter, sales taxes) paid disproportionately by low- and middle-income Americans.
Obama in his editorial "The Change We Need," says, "[Americans are] patient enough to know that our economic recovery will be measured in years, not months. But they have no patience for the same old partisan gridlock that stands in the way of action while our economy continues to slide."
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Old 02-05-2009, 05:17 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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South carolina is where good ideas go to die.
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Old 02-05-2009, 05:39 AM
 
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Obama losing the stimulus message war - Jeanne Cummings - Politico.com
But while the White House team struggled to adapt, it was business as usual on Capitol Hill for Republicans.

They could practically sleep-walk through their attack plan once House Democrats began to fill in Obama’s broad outlines for a stimulus with a few pet projects of their own.

It required two simple steps: Scream pork, call Rush Limbaugh.
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Old 02-05-2009, 05:59 AM
 
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Yes, while Rome burns from fires of their own making, the Republicans scurry about, ranting and raving over PORK and BLOAT. Fiddling would at least be a more entertaining form of diversion from the actual matters at hand, but it seems that Republicans can't even do irresponsible time-wasting right...
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Old 02-05-2009, 06:03 AM
 
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http://themoderatevoice.com/25937/wh...lus-plan-isnt/
The Republicans are absolutely right that not enough money will be spent fast enough to help drastically (although their evidence doesn’t actually exist(1)) and isn’t the right type of spending to stimulate the economy in its current form. Since most of our economy is a service economy, it is a far better idea to give lots of money to consumers…in theory. In actuality, consumers have way too much debt and are retrenching. This is why the past rebates were ineffectual(2), and consumers have a looooong way to go when it comes to increasing the savings rate. Here is a graph of the personal savings rate(3) that shows we are very likely to double or even triple the current savings rate. This means that most tax cuts won’t actually stimulate the economy (especially with the decrease in available loans) and the Republican solution is a bad one.

As an aside, the Republicans idea of proper budgeting is asinine(4).
“Our plan is rooted in the philosophy that we cannot borrow and spend our way back to prosperity,” Mr. Boehner said. “Unfortunately, the trillion-dollar spending plan authored by Congressional Democrats is chock-full of government programs and projects, most of which won’t provide immediate relief to our ailing economy.”
Um, where does he think that tax cuts come from when we’re running a deficit? Since tax cuts will have a much lesser impact on GDP growth, which will result in decreasing taxable revenue, their “plan” is just going to make our deficits way worse. I’m really confused about what is going through the GOP leadership’s heads.
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This is why I love reading about Obama’s actual long term goals(5). While Congress is busy debating how best to blame each other for things falling apart, Obama is paying attention to things that will help us in the coming decades: increasing energy, reducing the trade deficit and rebuilding an educational base for future workers. I’m not even sure he is that worried about ending the recession quickly, because he understands that long term structural problems that can’t be fixed through stimulus will determine how bad it ends up. /B]To me the entire thing sounds looks like a giant feint.

I have a problem with that though. Since he is billing it as a recovery plan, then when the economy doesn’t recover he is going to be attacked on both sides.
(1) Controversial CBO Report On Stimulus Turns Out Not To Exist
(2) Tax rebates not a quick fix for the economy
(3) http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/PSAVERT4 (broken link) (page doesnt exist)
(4) http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/us...a.html?_r=1&hp
(5) ibid.
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Old 02-05-2009, 06:16 AM
 
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Obama losing the stimulus message war - Jeanne Cummings - Politico.com
But while the White House team struggled to adapt, it was business as usual on Capitol Hill for Republicans.

They could practically sleep-walk through their attack plan once House Democrats began to fill in Obama’s broad outlines for a stimulus with a few pet projects of their own.

It required two simple steps: Scream pork, call Rush Limbaugh.
Scream "pork" and Rush Limbaugh appears, lol.

I havent been paying attention to the news really the last couple of days but it just kills me that this hysteria has been over less than 1% of the total stimulus package.
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Old 02-05-2009, 06:46 AM
 
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Worrying about blame or criticism down the road isn't really a useful undertaking at this point. There is a lot of work that needs to be done, and the most important parts of that ARE the long-term goals. We can address current priorities, and we can try to meet as many intermediate objectives as we can along the way, but the primary goal here is getting the economy turned onto a path toward an actually viable economic future, and that means thinking and planning a long way out into that future.

If, instead of getting down to work, the Republicans want to stand around having conniptions over money to replant sod on The Mall, nobody's going to remember them for anything but their fitful and small-minded short-sightedness. These aren't people anyone wants to be joining foces with. Call them on their games, then with or without them, let's get moving here. Time's a-wasting, and we haven't got the luxury of any to devote to the mere molly-coddling of some bunch of right-wing wussies...

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Old 02-05-2009, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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South carolina is where good ideas go to die.
I'd say it's where bad ideas just won't die. The local talk radio here is INSANE!!! The other morning, a self-proclaimed member of the KKK called in and talked for a couple of minutes without a word of dissent from the host - amazing in 2009. You swear your in a time warp when you listen to this crap. Exhibit "A" from yesterday's craigslist help wanted ads:
http://greenville.craigslist.org/sls/1020359959.html (broken link) This tire company needs a "Sales Lady" on "salery" - send pic. Lovely.

Yes, Obama needs to get aggressive with these morons.
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Old 02-05-2009, 07:41 AM
 
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Scream "pork" and Rush Limbaugh appears, lol.

I havent been paying attention to the news really the last couple of days but it just kills me that this hysteria has been over less than 1% of the total stimulus package.
The Devil is in the details and I have posted several links that talks about the Devil in assistance to states and cities and how the lobby industry is gearing up to get a piece of for the interest they represent. Governors and Mayors around the country are postponing needed budget cuts in anticipation of a bailout from the Governement saving them. The cuts have in many cases been approved and now put on hold.
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Old 02-05-2009, 08:01 AM
 
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The Devil is in the details and I have posted several links that talks about the Devil in assistance to states and cities and how the lobby industry is gearing up to get a piece of for the interest they represent.
The "lobby industry" as you call it is people trying to make their views and needs and problems known to government. Every time you write your Congressperson, you are confirming that you yourself are a part of the "lobby industry".

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Governors and Mayors around the country are postponing needed budget cuts in anticipation of a bailout from the Governement saving them. The cuts have in many cases been approved and now put on hold.
Needed budget cuts? You act like huge state and local budget shortfalls are things that we shoud leave as undisturbed as a nesting pair of bald eagles. This country is not suffering from any excess of public goods and services. Indeed, one of the principal reasons why our standard of living and quality of life so routinely score lower than those of various other developed countries is that we have a shortage of public goods and services. The welfare of the nation and its people will not at all be served by allowing, and certainly not by encouraging, state and local governments to implement drastic cutbacks in the levels of goods and services that they provide...
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