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I'm curious about the thinking here. If medical care is a basic right, then isn't a right for all human beings? Ethically and morally, shouldn't all people have a right to care when they need it?
Or, is it only for those who are paying for it?
I'm afraid that health care is now classified as "Luxury Goods" in the USA now.
I'm curious about the thinking here. If medical care is a basic right, then isn't a right for all human beings? Ethically and morally, shouldn't all people have a right to care when they need it?
Or, is it only for those who are paying for it?
Ah. I wasn't saying , in any way , that a person who isn't legal shouldn't be treated.. no.. I would never condone such a thing.
I was talking, however, about generally in regards to being able to get by without being reported as illegal..not neccesarily where medicine is concerned..but in other things.. like in some states.. geting Drivers Licenses etc.
BTW.. it IS a right..if it weren't.. than we wouldn't treat people in an ER that were sick who didn't have means to pay for it.
Personally what I would like to see if verification of residency status of anyone who comes to the ER - and if they are in the country illegally, treat them - but when they are released - be it an hour or a day - ICE is waiting to take them into custody and deport them.
Most of the money spent on a person is the last 5 years of there life, so where do you stop, at age 65 or 70 and just send the person home to die. That is the reality of everybody entitled to healthcare on the taxpayers dime. A government worker ( without a medical degree) bean counter will say it cost to much for that end of life saving surgery besides chances are they will die in the next 3 years anyway.
Most of the money spent on a person is the last 5 years of there life, so where do you stop, at age 65 or 70 and just send the person home to die. That is the reality of everybody entitled to healthcare on the taxpayers dime. A government worker ( without a medical degree) bean counter will say it cost to much for that end of life saving surgery besides chances are they will die in the next 3 years anyway.
What you say may be equally true for the 6-year-old as the 60-year-old. Expensive, terrible disease knows no age barrier. My dad died at 62 with no previous health problems. Mom is 97, and still going strong. A young mother in her early 30's is dying of cancer. She's been lingering for a year now. I know a family with a child with a serious health problem. Who's to say at what age one should be denied care? Should they be denied because that treatment will prolong their life only a few years?
If medical care is a right (ethically and morally speaking), then it is a right at any age, not just when the prognosis says that the patient will definitely 'make it' and is sure to live another "x" number of years.
Most of the money spent on a person is the last 5 years of there life, so where do you stop, at age 65 or 70 and just send the person home to die. That is the reality of everybody entitled to healthcare on the taxpayers dime. A government worker ( without a medical degree) bean counter will say it cost to much for that end of life saving surgery besides chances are they will die in the next 3 years anyway.
Well, that's because people tend to be sicker the last 5 years of their life. See below for some examples.
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Originally Posted by southward bound
What you say may be equally true for the 6-year-old as the 60-year-old. Expensive, terrible disease knows no age barrier. My dad died at 62 with no previous health problems. Mom is 97, and still going strong. A young mother in her early 30's is dying of cancer. She's been lingering for a year now. I know a family with a child with a serious health problem. Who's to say at what age one should be denied care? Should they be denied because that treatment will prolong their life only a few years?
If medical care is a right (ethically and morally speaking), then it is a right at any age, not just when the prognosis says that the patient will definitely 'make it' and is sure to live another "x" number of years.
No one can say that, and no ethical health professional will. There are differences in treatment to consider when the patient is of advanced age.
From the WSJ:
WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration will propose $60 billion in new tax increases over 10 years on wealthy estates, businesses and others to make up for shortfalls in its fund to pay for an expensive overhaul of the health-care system.
The measures go beyond plans the White House has announced in the past few weeks. Officials said that upon further analysis they realized that they had overestimated savings proposed in February to help pay the bill.
How to pay for a health-care overhaul estimated to cost more than a trillion dollars over a decade is one of the trickiest questions facing the administration and Congress. The White House has proposed a combination of health-care spending cuts and tax increases.
What I heard this morning is a 1.5% decrease in premiums each year for 5 years. My fear is what you'll see instead are increased group health premiums over that time instead. Their argument would be the increases would have been larger if not for the 7.5% total decrease over 5 years. I heard nothing of the pre-existing clause.
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