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Old 02-13-2009, 06:51 AM
 
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It's also a shame that many would demonize him today if he ran for office, strictly based on his beliefs and his party affiliation. Many on these very boards. God grant them the wisdom to look beyond petty partisan intolerance and hate and to see the world through the eyes of someone like Mr. Lincoln.
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Old 02-13-2009, 06:52 AM
 
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"[Mexicans] are most decidedly a race of mongrels. I understand that there is not more than one person there out of eight who is pure white ..." - Honest Abe Lincoln

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Old 02-13-2009, 07:07 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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It's also a shame that many would demonize him today if he ran for office, strictly based on his beliefs and his party affiliation. Many on these very boards. God grant them the wisdom to look beyond petty partisan intolerance and hate and to see the world through the eyes of someone like Mr. Lincoln.
Sorry, but that "different standards" argument doesn't hold water anymore. In Lincoln's letter to (his alleged male lover) Joshua Speed, he wrote:

"How can any one who abhors the oppression of negroes, be in favor or degrading classes of white people? Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes" When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy [sic]."

Lincoln's sarcasm in this paragraph, clearly indicates that he knows the inherent wrong, not only in slavery but in separatism, segregation, and racial superiority. In simpler terms, it was just as wrong then as it is now.
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Old 02-14-2009, 01:57 PM
 
Location: On the Ohio River in Western, KY
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They may have, they may not have. One thing they didn't have the right to do was to enslave human beings. Their motive for secession was to retain slavery. They should have been attacked.
Seriously, if you want to discuss historical facts, at least get them right.

Slavery was just as rampant in the Northern states as it was in the South.

Slavery had very little if anything to do with secession, and Lincoln himself said he didn't give a rat's a** about slaves either way free or not.
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Old 02-14-2009, 02:33 PM
 
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Seriously, if you want to discuss historical facts, at least get them right.

Slavery was just as rampant in the Northern states as it was in the South.

Slavery had very little if anything to do with secession, and Lincoln himself said he didn't give a rat's a** about slaves either way free or not.
Slavery was not the least bit "just as rampant in the Northern states as it was in the South." What an insane statement.

As for Lincoln: What he said about slavery pretty much depended on the time in which he said it.
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Old 02-18-2009, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Shaker Heights, OH
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Can you cite anything in the Constitution prohibiting secession? Anything at all? Saying it does doesn't mean it does...quote the portion that prohibits secession.
Cannot be done b/c there is nothing there that says a state can't secede, which is exactly what the Declaration of Independence says that everyone has a right to do.
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