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Old 02-13-2009, 09:54 AM
 
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Fascism - Socialism - Communism - Commonism?

It seems like the Nazis were Survivalist. Germany and its people, during the 20's and 30's, were in a position that we might find ourselves in shortly.

Their money was no good.

Our money is no good.

Hey, we're Sympatico!

We just don't know it yet.

How does bad money become good? Can it?

How does bad money become good money? Can it?
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Old 02-13-2009, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Brusssels
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And tell me again, Which nation is it that attacked us on 9/11, Afghanistan? Saudi Arabia? Somalia? Algiers? Iran? Pakistan?

How about all the above and then some?

Your new president doesn't respect borders either, so what's your point?

We were successfully attacked five times during the Clinton Administration with only two plots disrupted because Clinton allowed the CIA to fall into ineffectiveness with an inadequate budget and a 25% attrition rate. Not listening in on phone calls and playing by a set of rules that makes us sitting ducks is where we went wrong. These people want to kill us and hope they die doing so. You would read them their rights and provide them with a lawyer I assume.

Sovereign nation? Since when? They were under a UN cease fire agreement with mandates that they were required to fulfill. They did not honor those agreements. Do you think the torture that we allegedly did is anything at all like the torture inflicted on the Iraqi people by the Hussein government? Have we ever used chemical weapons to kill our own civilians, cut off the toques of political adversaries, torture and kill innocent civilians who got a bad report by their neighbors (per Baathist policy) or pulled women off the streets to be brutally raped and killed?

Your head in the sand approach to Islamic terrorism is what got us attacked on 9/11. GWB's proactive approach has kept us safe ever since 9/11. His policies have been 100% effective. Thank you GWB for putting your country before your political aspirations.
Look, I'm all for fighting Al-Qaeda - I just think we can do it without violating our own Constitution and laws. If the FISA was not good enough to get the job done, convince Congress to change it - don't just ignore it!

Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11, absolutely nothing. They were a sovreign nation which had not committed an act of war against the United States which could justify invading them in 2003. Too bad it distracted our leaders and diverted assets from finishing the job in Afghanistan which is now boiling again thanks to the big distraction in Mesopotamia. The invasion was Cheney's idea and Bush went along with it.

I have no illusions about how bad the Hussein regime was - I've been there and spoken to many Iraqis who have their own grisly stories to tell. Yeah, my head has been in the sand, along with my feet, arms, torso, etc. Have you? I've also almost been killed more than a few times by insurgents over there - have you?

The bottom line on Iraq is that we could have contained and toppled Hussein without resorting to an expensive military adventure that a) ran up our deficit, b) strenghened Iran, and c) made the entire world lose any trust they had in us. Oh, and let's not forget d) create conditions where China can step into the geopolitical gaps we've opened or been pushed out of as a result of this stupid adventure. China is indeed the big winner in the Iraq gambit. It takes a clear-eyed patriot to see this.

We faced down the might of the Soviet Union and their communist allies ( much more dangerous foes) without throwing away our principles. We faced down their intelligence and sabotage apparatus (10X more widespread and better financed than the Al-Qaeda boy's club) without violating our own laws or codifying the use of torture. Our leaders did not use fear and tell the people they had to give up their civil rights. When a law didn't work, they changed it instead of ignoring it.

If your policies to fight terror make you reduce your own freedoms and civil liberties while your people live in a state of perpetual fear - your polcies make them the winner.
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Old 02-13-2009, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Harrisonville
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The soldier above all others prays for peace, for it is the soldier who must suffer and bear the deepest wounds and scars of war

Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear. [


Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear - kept us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor - with the cry of grave national emergency.

---General Douglas MacArthur

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Old 02-13-2009, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Harrisonville
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Fascism - Socialism - Communism - Commonism?

It seems like the Nazis were Survivalist. Germany and its people, during the 20's and 30's, were in a position that we might find ourselves in shortly.

Their money was no good.

Our money is no good.

Hey, we're Sympatico!

We just don't know it yet.

How does bad money become good? Can it?

How does bad money become good money? Can it?

It wasn't just the Germans. The mood of Weimar Germany was reflected to some degree in all the Western powers.

Don't forget the growing isolationism, Nationalism, and the increasing popularity of trade barriers.
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Old 02-13-2009, 10:40 AM
 
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To simply answer your question....
I knew the country was in trouble when the department of homeland security came into existence....kind of a dejavu to The Reichssicherheitshauptamt.

Just waiting for the right event so that they can come out and say...'we need to sensibly confiscate america's guns...'
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Old 02-13-2009, 10:53 AM
 
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Years ago, I read that in 1943, FDR ordered his War Department to define what the "Country" was that he was asking/telling U.S. Citizens to defend.

The War Department answered it thus:

"The United States of America is the United States Constitution."

So, all this time, I thought it very appropriate that Officers of the United States of America swear an oath to protect and defend the Constitution.

I don't think Georgie Boy and all of his lovers ever considered this.

I don't think any president past JKF considered this.
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Old 02-13-2009, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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Anyone who wants to equate any government as having similarities to the Third Reich usually has little knowledge of the Third Reich.
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Old 02-13-2009, 04:18 PM
 
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Anyone who wants to equate any government as having similarities to the Third Reich usually has little knowledge of the Third Reich.
agreed.

Bush was more socialist than fascist. Jorge W. Bush supported open borders and letting in any and all kind of Third World pathology!! The Neocons who plotted our useless wars are Leftists!!! How is that even close to fascist?

The USA is heading towards becoming another USSR, a Leftist totalitarian state. Obama is a socialist and pretty soon he will lead the government that will OWN THE BANKS in the United States. This is like the USSR, all centralized planning going forward.

You need a business loan in the future? You better hire the types of comrades we tell you to, you better have subsidized housing for worker/comrades.....etc. This already started where Fannie and Freddie dictated the housing marketplace with all kinds of subsidies etc. tailored towards leftist social engineering. If you didn't comply, you weren't allowed in the game.
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Old 02-13-2009, 05:39 PM
 
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- Nazis were white and hated anybody that was not "pure white"
- Republicans are known as "the white man's party"
- 99% of neo-nazis in the US listen to Hannity & Limbaugh.
- Bush is Hitler
- Obama is the descendant of the people that were oppressed = Jews

case closed
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Old 02-13-2009, 05:50 PM
 
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With the Left's push to try and bring back the Fairness Doctrine, it's controlling of the media outlets, it's broad use of propaganda and promotion of socialism, are we well on our way to becoming the next Third Reich?

The promotion of the state above all else seems to be prevalent with the Left making it similar to Communist Russia and their brand of nationalism. I read a quote made by Hitler recently where he said:

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

This form of fascism cannot be tolerated. This form of government cannot be accepted. If we continue down this path, can we expect another Holocaust or genocidal events similar to what was seen in the Third Reich, Stalin's Soviet Union or Castro's Cuba which were all done in the name of the people?

Collectivism and subservience to the state should not overtake the sanctity and liberty of the individual.
Just call it pay back!!!
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