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If I could leave the US and make it somewhere else, I would. It isn't just jobs, it's the whole environment. As as single woman, everyone my age is married, and here, women think its a status symbol to be married.
Yet, no one dates. That part gets me.
If you are over 45 and single, it's a really lonely life.
I think living somewhere else, where people come together for more than just sex would be refreshing.
I am tired of being a drone and just working.
If I could leave the US and make it somewhere else, I would. It isn't just jobs, it's the whole environment. As as single woman, everyone my age is married, and here, women think its a status symbol to be married.
Yet, no one dates. That part gets me.
If you are over 45 and single, it's a really lonely life.
I think living somewhere else, where people come together for more than just sex would be refreshing.
I am tired of being a drone and just working.
If I could leave the US and make it somewhere else, I would. It isn't just jobs, it's the whole environment. As as single woman, everyone my age is married, and here, women think its a status symbol to be married.
Yet, no one dates. That part gets me.
If you are over 45 and single, it's a really lonely life.
I think living somewhere else, where people come together for more than just sex would be refreshing.
I am tired of being a drone and just working.
Instead of leaving the U.S. how about leaving the midwest?
Carlos123, you hit the proverbial nail on the head. One of the biggest threats to liberty is the slow erosion of the little things that one day are acceptable then next are regulated.
In many cases it's the little things that have destroyed America's ability for the little guy to improve his life, as you have mentioned.
One of the first things I have planned here in Canada, if we ever win an election(hey I can dream) is to start a review process where all regulations will be lifted that can not provide evidence of a victim without it.
In addition to this madness, is the undeniable reality that many of these regulations are just methods to tax the little guy out of any change he may still have left, after the government has stolen its tax robbery.
Don't have a permit, here's a fine. Don't have a license, do some time, has become their motto.
Thanks for the cadid input BigDaddy. It is not as difficult as it may seem to emmigrate. Depending of course on where one wants to go.
Of course...if one is married and tied down to a place with kids and homes and other such things...yeah, I can see that emmigrating would be much harder. I am single. No kids. Nothing to tie me down at present. That has it's down sides but one nice thing is that I can move freely if the need arises. Assuming I have the finances to do so.
I came to San Diego with less than $300 to my name. Ended up renting a room at first in a foreclosed property for $80 a week. And am now living in a fifth wheel trailer for $200 a month (includes everything including internet). I must give credit where credit is due and say that God helped me get where I am. He knew my needs, provided for me, and granted me great favor in the eyes of all those I came in contact with.
I guess what I am saying is that the hardest decision to emmigrate if one feels a need to do so, is to make the decision to go. If one is determined to do so and is willing to trust God for real help...then it is certainly possible.
Carlos
Carlos -- unless you have AU or NZ citizenship or have a very specific skill -- not even God will get you into AU as an immigrant. I believe a mill or more of assets might -- just might ...
Being able to have U.S. citizenship gives you the option to legally live in the U.S. -- we had to emmigrate to the U.S. as my history is that of a N.Z. citizen whose dad is an academic physician -- we moved to the U.S. in a cruel twist of fate, from the middle of summer in Auckland (December) to Minneapolis in December.. Regardless, after much to do and sitting in INS lines, etc -- we finally had our permanent residence in 1979, 3 years after our arrival (this was with my Dad being a Cardiologist, Epidemiologist with an MD, pHD, MPH ... etc).
So as much as all this is taken for granted -- it isn't that easy.
Going back to your original premise -- the people in the U.S. are starting to come real with their lifestyle and over expeditures -- but the government response of continued borrowing and spending and "stimulus" packages continue to perpetuate the problem and only lead to great debt and challenges for the generation to come.
I'm really unhappy that the response is not that of making sure that all monies that are spend go to improving infrastructure and creating jobs that result in improved infrastructure. At least if some borrowing occurs, there will be something we can all point to that was improved. A system of borrowing and handing money to bankers who are the exact source of the problem, to further pay their salaries and further continue their policies; seems to be an incredible waste.
Given the % of people who are really in trouble (which is a small %); why is it that the entire society is increasing its debt that has gradually built up over a couple of generations, by some 20% in a matter of months to support such a few individuals?
The U.S. and the rest of the world need to control themselves and stop the spending, the borrowing and the living beyond one's means. It is bad personal policy and bad public policy.
Carlos -- unless you have AU or NZ citizenship or have a very specific skill -- not even God will get you into AU as an immigrant. I believe a mill or more of assets might -- just might ...
Just for the record BigDaddyG I did not say that God would work outside what is possible. He could mind you and He has in the past but unless one has a very clear understanding that such a thing is His will....it won't happen.
What I meant was that all other things being equal God can help us do that which is very, very difficult to do without his help. Even impossible if it is His will.
In my case the string of things that allowed me to go from living in my truck to being able to come to San Diego is nothing less than almost miraculous if not outright so...in the timing.
That is just downright rude 01Snake. I won't say what I think of the unattractiveness of your soul which is far, far worse than any supposed unattractiveness of the external person.
Just for the record BigDaddyG I did not say that God would work outside what is possible. He could mind you and He has in the past but unless one has a very clear understanding that such a thing is His will....it won't happen.
What I meant was that all other things being equal God can help us do that which is very, very difficult to do without his help. Even impossible if it is His will.
In my case the string of things that allowed me to go from living in my truck to being able to come to San Diego is nothing less than almost miraculous if not outright so...in the timing.
Carlos
In dealing with someone who basically agrees with and further supports your premise -- a bit fiesty in the response. Regardless, my point is not to dismiss your belief in the power of whichever God you have belief in; but instead is to point out, that immigration is actually a very complex issue (unless you simply run across the border).
There are well defined regulations whether you are coming to the U.S. or going to another country. As much as you may have the luxury of being a dual citizen and experiencing in a limited fashion how easy it is to move within certain limits, the reality is that this is an option for a very small number of people.
So the short of it is -- that only the very few, the affluent, the technically skilled and dual citizens have such options. The rest of the U.S. population does not. So in getting frustrated with how things are being handled by politicians, the mental leap of "if things get really bad, I'll just move to country XYZ ..." -- this is not going to work for most people.
The point is that people are going to need to become active in making sure things get better in the U.S. as most people are indeed going to have to remain living in the U.S., whether they like it or not. Moving elsewhere is just a fantasy (at least to any country anyone would really want to live in) -- so buckling down and really working on figuring out how to fix the incredible mess that exists is going to be very important.
In dealing with someone who basically agrees with and further supports your premise -- a bit fiesty in the response.
If you mean me as having been a bit feisty...sorry if I was. Did not mean to be. It's just that I feel very strongly about this issue and perhaps I may have indeed said things a bit too..well...feisty.
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Regardless, my point is not to dismiss your belief in the power of whichever God you have belief in; but instead is to point out, that immigration is actually a very complex issue (unless you simply run across the border).
There are well defined regulations whether you are coming to the U.S. or going to another country. As much as you may have the luxury of being a dual citizen and experiencing in a limited fashion how easy it is to move within certain limits, the reality is that this is an option for a very small number of people.
Regretably...I must agree with you at least in your overall premise though I would point out that it was not easy for me to move. Far from it. It was virtually impossible. No money and near broke...at least just before I came down.
But legally speaking...yes...I was in a position to move. I realize that not everyone is that fortunate.
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So the short of it is -- that only the very few, the affluent, the technically skilled and dual citizens have such options. The rest of the U.S. population does not.
Overall I tend to agree with you. But I will say that if someone wants to leave badly enough...there are legal angles that will allow that. Maybe not to the number one country of choice but to a country which is still better than the US. All the protestations from Americans to the contrary who think the US is God's gift to humanity...which in my opinion it is not. At least not anymore.
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So in getting frustrated with how things are being handled by politicians, the mental leap of "if things get really bad, I'll just move to country XYZ ..." -- this is not going to work for most people.
Agreed in the sense that for many it's just not very practical.
But if the US gets really, really bad. I mean in terms of becoming a socialist country the likes of which Americans have never envisioned. A totalitarian country. A dictatorial country. A country whose dollar crashes. Soup lines. Riots. Social upheaval.
It is out of such things that dictators arise.
If that US gets that bad...whether practical or not...Americans are going to have make a choice. Assuming they can't do much of anything to stop the madness. Do we stay or do we go? It's good to have an exit strategy just in case.
I'm not being alarmist. I prefer to see myself as just being practical. Things are going to get far worse. Not until they get better. Just worse. In my opinion.
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The point is that people are going to need to become active in making sure things get better in the U.S. as most people are indeed going to have to remain living in the U.S., whether they like it or not. Moving elsewhere is just a fantasy (at least to any country anyone would really want to live in) -- so buckling down and really working on figuring out how to fix the incredible mess that exists is going to be very important.
I disagree in the sense that there are some countries that are a good deal better than the US I think. With a greater degree of real freedom than there is in the U.S. I guess a lot depends on whether one is content with what is going on in the US. If they are...by all means they should stay.
If they aren't all I am saying is that it's good to have an exit strategy.
Nor do I believe that things can be changed at this point. It's all well and good to say that people must work for change where they are. A principal I generally agree with. But I personally do not believe the US can be changed to the degree that I at least would be happy living here.
Since I have an option...I will use it.
It's not that I don't believe in working for positive change. It's that I have but one life to live. And I do not wish to sink a big part of that life working for a change that I don't believe will happen. And I also don't relish living in a place where I feel like I am in a straightjacket. Where I can't even walk across the street as a free and responsible person anymore unless the government tells me I can.
You have no idea the stuff I have had to deal with trying to get business licences and other baloney. Finding the government at practically every turn keeping me from doing that which is perfectly acceptable by God.
I don't mean that I am opposed to all licencing or some such. I mean the kind of stuff that the government puts in the way of the small business owner. Roadblocks if you will. It's just ridiculous. Added to everything else I have been saying...I just don't see real change happening any time soon. One would have to turn the whole society upside down. Which isn't going to happen.
I've seen the stuff I am talking about up close and personal and it stinks. I'm sick of it. And I have only been back one month! Of course I have long years of experience in what I am talking about from having lived in the US most of my life. But still. One month has been enough to make me go over the edge where I've had enough.
And in my case...I know a place that for me is far better. And that is where I hope to end up.
Carlos -- we moved from the U.S. with many of these same factors affecting us. With 3 young children; it was our opinion that the challenges facing the U.S. were substantial and a better life was available elsewhere.
We've not regretted moving, but we live with less money that we used to -- save more than we ever even thought about saving ... and enjoy life more. We feel safer than we used to and interestingly -- I'm not sure there is less in the way of law here, but people have a real sense of needing to be a part of society and understand that no one is above the law. There is civility.
When I worked in the ED in Florida -- someone who was violent and verbally abuse was taken down very quickly and agressively, placed in 4 point leathers -- police involved ... in AU -- we give things a little time, negotiate, never use physical restraints ... it is just so different. Part of which is a homogeneous society ...
Anyway, I digress -- but there are some very interesting aspects of looking at other societies and seeing what is good and what isn't.
My wife and I have a love of California -- I went to Med School at UCSD - love San Diego -- very sad things are going so poorly for CA and the U.S. -- looking forward to seeing a brighter future -- but the solutions that are being forwarded are a real concern.
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