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Uh.. you know some of us are parents, right? My partner and I are both legal parents of our children, yet we're denied the protection of marriage.
And if I have to repeat this one more time, I'll puke, but you are also aware that not all hetero married couples care to or ever produce children, right? There's no difference between a childless hetero couple and a childless gay couple!
Ahem- - - if a "marriage contract" joins your properties for the benefit of the child, what PROTECTION does it offer YOU?
Ignorance of the law regarding marriage is widespread.
In fact, ignorance of all law, in America is a virulent disease.
I had the disease until I was in my late 30s.
When I finally started reading the law, then I learned what real nausea was.
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The Marriage contract is for joining two people's property rights for the benefit of the progeny. (That's the real meaning for "What God has joined - made one from two - no man can put asunder." You can't split a child!)
Since homosexual couples cannot genetically join, there's no beneficiary of the "marriage" compact. Why in the world would you wish to enter into a contract that has no purpose? And would require a painful legal process to dissolve (divorce is no fun)?
So this should also include couples who are barren and infertile. I mean what is the point of getting married if you cannot pop a kid out. Is that what you are saying?
NO.
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For joining property of the partners, and establishing rights of a survivor, a simple contract is all that is necessary.
I have posted the differences between marriage and civil unions or domestic partnerships numerous times. There are MANY things a married couple gets that the other 2 do not.
That is what makes it unequal. If you want to give them the SAME rights (e.g. SSI widow benefits) then fine.
But right now they are not equal.
YOU HAVE IT NOW - - - the SOCIALIST BENEFITS OF MARRIAGE IS WHAT THE HOMOSEXUALS WANT. They cannot use the common law benefits of the marriage contract.
Under the common law, a marriage meant the automatic transfer of property to surviving spouse and children was not subject to estate nor death taxes.
(YUP - no taxes!)
The socialist estate and death taxes are only applicable to voluntary enumerated socialist serfs who lack common law standing.
You do not realize that since 1935, America has been bombarded with socialist propaganda to erase the memory of the common law and the private property rights of the sovereign Americans.
To illustrate one of the lost rights, before 1935, parents absolutely owned their children - no Judge could "grant custody" or take children away.
Proof?
Read "The Adventures of Tom Sawyer" by Mark Twain.
Huck Finn, the wild child of the town drunk, was not under the authority of the city fathers until his biological father died. Only then, could they take custody and compel him to go to school, etc, etc. As long as the father lived, NO SECULAR GOVERNMENT would dare trespass his rights.
There is not enough time and space to re-educate you to your lost birthright and heritage stolen by socialist pirates.
I'll sum it up this way - - -
Before national socialism, those Americans who held sovereign status at law, were the social equals of every other monarch on this planet. Under international law, Americans were not obligated to bow nor kneel to any other monarch. A lowly ditch digging sovereign American had a superior legal status greater than the Prince of Wales, heir to the throne of England.
THAT is why Americans were held in such awe and respect in those past ages. WE WERE KINGS AND QUEENS. (No pun intended)
Now, the socialist masses squabble over the crumbs tossed from the public coffers by the "royal" Congress and their fawning sycophants.
On a side note.. I would love to get in on the 'White Privilege' debate but since it is soo many pages in.. I chose to start another topic. Also, don't want to be redundant and start a similar post, ya know? But feel free if u so choose.. anyways... lol.
My question to you is..
Are you for or against homosexual marriages? Why or why not?
I reject gay marriages, but I'm strongly against placing a ban in a state or national constitution; a country shouldn't place a law that's undoubtly discriminatory toward it's fellow citizens within words of it's founding document. I also believe if a country doesn't allow gay marriage, it better provide something similar, which is why I support Civil Unions.
Yes I am against homosexual marriage. I am also a Christian, and believe the Bible is God's Word. The Bible tells me, homosexuality is a sin.
So, I'm wondering....let's say you weren't raised by the Bible....just think about it for awhile. Let's say you were never ever given the "word" of the bible. How would you feel?
Yes I am against homosexual marriage. I am also a Christian, and believe the Bible is God's Word. The Bible tells me, homosexuality is a sin.
If homosexuality is a choice, when did you choose to be heterosexual? I do not expect an answer, you anti gay christians spouting from your bibles never answer that question. Because you know the truth, you were born straight and to admit that means one is born the way they are, gay or straight. Only in your bible is homosexuality a sin, remember that it is a compilation of stories and books going back over 2000 years, little of it pertains to modern life. I myself choose to live in the here and now and not the past.
If homosexuality is a choice, when did you choose to be heterosexual? I do not expect an answer, you anti gay christians spouting from your bibles never answer that question. Because you know the truth, you were born straight and to admit that means one is born the way they are, gay or straight. Only in your bible is homosexuality a sin, remember that it is a compilation of stories and books going back over 2000 years, little of it pertains to modern life. I myself choose to live in the here and now and not the past.
Guess what? You're going to get the answers of "I choose to be a heterosexual....I could go the other way but I CHOOSE to be a heterosexual?. Which really, answers nothing does it?
To the posters who said that banning gay marriage is violating a gay person's civil rights the same way that black people's used to be.....it's vastly different. Being black is not an action...sexual activity (with ANY person) is an action that is a choice. Feeling a certain way may not necessarily be a choice...but acting on that feeling is.
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