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[greatbasinguide]

You justified American actions based on Saddam picking on women. You said it.

Intellectual Laziness, you don't know why listing democrats who supported the war based on information given to them by those who supported the war is intellectual laziness?



Oh,, My,,, Gawd.

Across the internet the rightwingwhackos bring that up, yet they never stop to think about who gave them the information to make decisions with.

Is it no wonder that the majority of Americans picture conservatives as hayseeds with ball caps on backwards and the sleeves torn out of their shirts?

[YapCity]

Originally Posted by Amaznjohn

So these people are allowed to make mistakes, but not the President? They had access to the same intelligence as Bush, unless you have some evidence that Bush manipulated the intelligence reports.

Of course I have no evidence of manipulation. However, they have no evidence of WMD. Suspicion is not justification for action. Suspicion is motivation for investigation.

Originally Posted by Amaznjohn

BTW, the Constitution only allows impeachment because of "high crimes and misdemeanors". In competence is not an impeachable offense.

Two words for ya, Criminal Negligence

Originally Posted by Amaznjohn

Regardless of whether Saddam had WMD, which is still not proven one way or another, he violated his surrender agreement 17 times and shot at our aircraft patrolling the UN mandated No-Fly zone. These offenses are justification for "serious consequences" including regime change.

Read that again. He shot at OUR aircraft patrolling a "no-fly" zone. Maybe that was his way of patrolling said zone? The arrogance of the US is appalling. Maybe flying in the "no-fly" zone, or should I say "spying" justifies the consequences imposed by Saddam? Think about it objectively. I don't like the man, and yes, I'm glad he's gone, but I'm not happy about how it happened.

~T

[greatbasinguide]

Imagine the nerve of that man, shooting at American aircraft flying over his country.
I bet if China established a no fly zone over America no one would take pot shots at them, we being a law abiding bunch of sheep as we are.

[Amaznjohn]

[quote=greatbasinguide;480943]

You justified American actions based on Saddam picking on women. You said it.

Nope. Sorry. Never did. If I did, maybe you should provide the quote.

Intellectual Laziness, you don't know why listing democrats who supported the war based on information given to them by those who supported the war is intellectual laziness?

No. As I stated previously, they were privvy to the same intelligence that the White House had at the time. Demonstrating that others with the same information, especially those hostile to the White House, came to the same conclusion shows that the White House did not lie or mislead and is a reasonable rebuttal for such a claim.

[greatbasinguide]

First, your statement was certainly an inference,

As for the second, they were not privvy to the same intelligence, they were privvy to what the executive branch gave them.

[Amaznjohn]

Originally Posted by YapCity

Of course I have no evidence of manipulation. However, they have no evidence of WMD. Suspicion is not justification for action. Suspicion is motivation for investigation.

Yet, you've claimed that he lied. You can't have it both ways.

Two words for ya, Criminal Negligence

Again trying to have it both ways. You have no evidence, yet you've convicted him.

Read that again. He shot at OUR aircraft patrolling a "no-fly" zone. Maybe that was his way of patrolling said zone? The arrogance of the US is appalling. Maybe flying in the "no-fly" zone, or should I say "spying" justifies the consequences imposed by Saddam? Think about it objectively. I don't like the man, and yes, I'm glad he's gone, but I'm not happy about how it happened.

Yes. This no-fly zone was instituted by the U.N. in reference to Saddam's surrender agreement after having invaded Kuwait. He agreed to the no-fly zone, yet he fired on our aircraft. Spying is a good description, to keep an eye on his activities subsequent to his invasion of Kuwait.

[Amaznjohn]

Originally Posted by greatbasinguide

Imagine the nerve of that man, shooting at American aircraft flying over his country.
I bet if China established a no fly zone over America no one would take pot shots at them, we being a law abiding bunch of sheep as we are.

See previous post.

[Amaznjohn]

Originally Posted by greatbasinguide

First, your statement was certainly an inference,

As for the second, they were not privvy to the same intelligence, they were privvy to what the executive branch gave them.

You're incorrect again. William Cohen was Secretary of Defense under Clinton. He had access to the intelligence.
Bob Graham, John Edwards, John Rockefeller, Tom Daschle were all members of the Senate Intelligence Committee in 2000-2001. They too had access to the same intelligence reports. Good try though.

[greatbasinguide]

Here is a short article for you to chew on;

The International Atomic Energy Agency declared in 1998 that Iraq's nuclear program had been completely dismantled. The UN Special Commission on Iraq (UNSCOM) estimated
then that at least 95 percent of Iraq's chemical weapons program had been similarly accounted
for and destroyed. Iraq's potential to develop biological weapons is a much bigger question
mark, since such a program is much easier to hide. However, UNSCOM noted in 1998 that
virtually all of Iraq's offensive missiles and other delivery systems had been accounted for and
rendered inoperable. Rebuilding an offensive military capability utilizing weapons of mass
destruction (WMDs) virtually from scratch would be extraordinarily difficult under the
current international embargo.

[wildberries61]

HEY YOU GUYS, you ruined my POST!!!! I thought we were going to talk about the WAR MEMORIAL!!!

Isn't it funny how it always goes to the Administration and Religion!!!