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What can the lefties say oh that damn bush this and that damn bush that? All the while leaving obama out of the mix..... haha they would get slammed.
It is interesting how rabid and frothing at the mouth and so full of hate and venom they have been about bush and now this. It is hilarious!
Apparently, none of you has managed to realize that this case at present is not about the legality or any continuation of Bush's warrantless wiretapping program at all. The OP here has simply read into this article something he would like to see there but which is not actually present.
While the larger case does indeed deal with whether an Islamic charity with ties to al Qaeda was illegally surveilled by the Bush administration, the issue at this point is a separation of powers matter dealing with the degree (if any) to which Congress can (through FISA in this case) legislate limits or exceptions to the Executive's power to define and protect legitimate state and military secrets.
At particular issue is a document that all parties presume to contain national secrets and to be legitimately classifed as Top Secret/SCI. The matter is complicated however by the fact that none of its contents are a secret to the plaintiffs in that the Bush Treasury Department inadvertantly sent them a copy of the document in 2004. They read and discussed the document, made and circulated xerox copies, and produced electronic versions of it during the approximately four weeks that it took the governmnet to realize its error and come around to retrieve or destroy all of the plaintiff's copies.
Plaintiffs assert that the document establishes that they were in fact surveilled, and if it does, that would provide conclusive standing for proceeding with their case against the government's illegal activity under the secure provisions established for such cases by FISA. The government has contended that the inadvertant release of the document does not alter the fact that it is classified and that damage to national security would result from its disclosure.
The appeals courts ruled last July that FISA does indeed limit the Executive's power (which essentially puts a dagger through the heart of Bush's "unitary executive" theory while effectively making him an admitted felon), but the matter of whether to release the document to plaintiffs for use in establishing standing for further action was returned to the lower court. The idea that they might use sworn recollections of the document to establish standing has previously been struck down, but allowances for plaintiff's use of available non-classified information to establish standing that would compel release of at least the document redacted to matters germane to the case has been left open, and it is that event that the DOJ presently files against.
There is nothing at all in the filing that defends Bush's admitted use of warrantless wiretapping. There is nothing at all to indicate that the Obama administration also believes that it may legally engage in the practice. Assertions by the OP to the contrary are merely another example of a willingness to fabricate faux issues out of thin air.
Assertions by the OP to the contrary are merely another example of a willingness to fabricate faux issues out of thin air.
There is nothing misleading about what I posted here; Or in the article. What took you 6 paragraphs to explain, the article spells it out quite succinctly in just 1 1/2.
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President Obama’s administration is moving aggressively to protect what the government insists are “state secrets” from a Bush-era wiretapping program.
Justice Department lawyers filed an emergency motion Friday with a federal appeals court in an effort to block a lower court’s order that the government must show lawyers for the Al-Haramain Islamic Foundation a copy of a document indicating that the group’s communications were being intercepted. The document has been the subject of a running legal battle since the papers were accidentally sent to attorneys for the group in 2004 and subsequently retrieved.
If you have a problem with the content, send an email to the politico reporter and list your whines.
Wire-tapping for terrorism activity is just a bit different from wanting to extinguish a race of people.
Chancellor Hitler said to President Hindenburg after the Reichstag fire that the constitution could not anticipate the extreme nature of the threats from foreigners and the enabling act was necessary to preserve order. Sound familiar? Plus, at that time (1933) the Jews weren't even close to being thrown into concentration camps or even being rounded up into ghettos or deported. Calling it ethnic cleansing is just a red herring because it was perceived that Jews (esp. communist Jews) were the main threat to the Aryan race and the cause of economic turmoil of the 20's. Who the scapegoat is identified as being isn't really relevant. You identify a scapegoat and destroy the existing laws of privacy and freedom using the scapegoat of the perpetual bomb strapping boogeyman as an excuse. Since the "war on terrorism" will supposedly last generations, it provides the government with a convenient mechanism to permanently expand its base of power and avoid having to deal with that pesky Constitution.
Last edited by summers73; 02-24-2009 at 10:22 AM..
Hahahaha I know.................Maybe they are just out of venom!
More than likely they are just plain tired of having to defend obama, who they actually thought would be doing away with all these programs that "shred the constitution", as they used to be so fond of saying.
Cause we know there is no way they will criticize him or voice their displeasure, even when his is continuing programs they once reviled.
It is a dilemma for them though; how to be intellectually honest while still defending him. Not possible.
Their credibility is the thing in shreds.
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